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Spider Jerusalem

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9. Lower oil prices, at present levels of production cost, are not economically beneficial
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 01:28 PM
Jan 2016

With oil below $30 a barrel, the majority of US and Canadian oil production (which comes from tar sands and oil shale) is not economical to produce, but the investment in production infrastructure is also a sunk cost, so there's no reason to not keep producing it (even though the break-even is somewhere in the range of $65-75 a barrel). So at current oil prices, US-produced shale oil is losing $35-45 a barrel, which is a loss of $2 billion a day to the US economy. And that doesn't take into account the thousands of job losses in Texas and North Dakota and elsewhere due to the collapse of the oil price, nor the large amounts of debt taken on by oil drillers that's not being serviced because they're not making enough money to do it.

Further, the economy is global; China is experiencing something of an economic crisis, with productivity and growth down very considerably (the Baltic Dry Index of shipping, which is a useful measure of international trade, has recently been at all-time lows).

And the cost of consumer goods hasn't fallen because the inflation rate is still (barely) positive, at 0.7%; a fall in the price of consumer goods would be the result of deflationary pressure (which may arrive, but hasn't, yet).

In regards to groceries...climate change unapatriciated Jan 2016 #1
I was always told by retailers nilesobek Jan 2016 #8
We are starting to see a shortage in produce unapatriciated Jan 2016 #16
actually milk, at least, seems to be about $1 a gallon less than last year hfojvt Jan 2016 #2
Not around here. Pretty much the same price. hobbit709 Jan 2016 #6
Gasoline forms a fairly small part of the cost of most goods muriel_volestrangler Jan 2016 #3
You are right but when gas is high they use the excuse to raise groceries yeoman6987 Jan 2016 #5
Most grocery stores don't bring down their prices when gas is cheaper meow2u3 Jan 2016 #19
Basic Capitalism - prices based on seller willing to sell at and market willing to bear it. NutmegYankee Jan 2016 #4
Once the price goes up it rarely comes down. SamKnause Jan 2016 #7
So we are being ripped off nilesobek Jan 2016 #10
Yes we are being ripped off and forced to buy overpriced necessities. SamKnause Jan 2016 #13
Lower oil prices, at present levels of production cost, are not economically beneficial Spider Jerusalem Jan 2016 #9
Wow. Two billion a day losses. nilesobek Jan 2016 #14
It probably wasn't anticipated Spider Jerusalem Jan 2016 #15
That's deflation. You don't want that WhaTHellsgoingonhere Jan 2016 #11
Amazon, Walmart, Target et al have an even bigger monopoly on consumer goods JCMach1 Jan 2016 #12
Our local HyVee grocery raised prices substantially after the first of the year. Frustratedlady Jan 2016 #17
Because gasoline is only a small input for other prices. Zynx Jan 2016 #18
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