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eniwetok

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41. Bush made one convincing argument... but of course it was a lie
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 10:04 AM
Apr 2016

But made one convincing argument... that if the US didn't back up it's UNSC resolutions, it threatened the credibility of the UN itself. Of course Bush had no use for going to the UN except as political cover for his determination to invade regardless of what the UNSC did... and the proof: Here's the wording the US wanted in what became UNSC 1441

10. Decides that false statements or omissions in the declaration submitted by Iraq to the Council and failure by Iraq at any time to comply and cooperate fully in accordance with the provisions laid in this resolution, shall constitute a further material breach of Iraq's obligations, and that such breach authorizes member states to use all necessary means to restore international peace and security in the area ;

This wording would have left it to member states... ie the US and its phony Coalition Of The Coerced, to decide what was material breach. This wording was REJECTED... which is why so many rabid GOPers in the US went on a French-hating rampage... so infantile they rename French Fries on the Capitol cafeteria menu to Freedom Fries.

The final 1441 language that was passed was

13. Recalls, in that context, that the Council has repeatedly warned Iraq that it will face serious consequences as a result of its continued violations of its obligations;
14. Decides to remain seized of the matter.


Here the UNSC left to itself what what be the consequences if Iraq refused to cooperate. Since this stood in the way of Bush invading on his own, he just invaded without the UN's approval... and then lied in his presidential determination that Iraq DID pose a threat to US security.

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Yes, Mrs. Clinton voted for it. bigwillq Apr 2016 #1
"Mrs. Clinton"? Skittles Apr 2016 #4
I just called Bernie "Mr. Sanders" bigwillq Apr 2016 #7
it is NOT the same Skittles Apr 2016 #19
Yes, it is. bigwillq Apr 2016 #20
MR and MS are the same Skittles Apr 2016 #23
So, I should call her Ms. Clinton? bigwillq Apr 2016 #24
if you're inclined to do so then yes Skittles Apr 2016 #25
Ok. Thanks. bigwillq Apr 2016 #26
it is NOT a sign of respect Skittles Apr 2016 #34
Mrs. Clinton bigwillq Apr 2016 #35
over and out Skittles Apr 2016 #36
She's married Reter Apr 2016 #32
she does not prefer to be called MRS. CLINTON Skittles Apr 2016 #33
What the heck is wrong with Mr. and Mrs. ? 30Draw Apr 2016 #42
She was not alone. BlueMTexpat Apr 2016 #6
I hold Mr. Kerry responsible. bigwillq Apr 2016 #8
Thanks for the congrats! BlueMTexpat Apr 2016 #13
If Clinton had learned from Iraq Qutzupalotl Apr 2016 #27
I think that is the main thing with a lot of us. If when she became SOS she had gone in LiberalArkie Apr 2016 #29
Libya was an entirely BlueMTexpat Apr 2016 #31
I'll fill in the blank karynnj Apr 2016 #12
Please also remember that Hillary BlueMTexpat Apr 2016 #14
He does not get a pass karynnj Apr 2016 #16
OK, so you don't give him a BlueMTexpat Apr 2016 #17
They were both running for President. Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2016 #37
I don't believe that either Kerry BlueMTexpat Apr 2016 #38
they voted to give a sociopathic nitwit the authority he needed to proceed Skittles Apr 2016 #2
Hillary was an idiot to trust Bush would not lie eniwetok Apr 2016 #3
she was complicit Skittles Apr 2016 #5
not to give them an excuse but at the time it was "you're either with us or against us" mantra Demonaut Apr 2016 #9
I understand that Skittles Apr 2016 #10
true...and no one held to account..yet. We need term limits for the senate and congress Demonaut Apr 2016 #11
If you were a junior Senator BlueMTexpat Apr 2016 #15
YES I WOULD Skittles Apr 2016 #18
Good for you! BlueMTexpat Apr 2016 #21
LOL Skittles Apr 2016 #22
Yes, they did and they all knew it. HassleCat Apr 2016 #28
The "conditional" was a smokescreen... JHB Apr 2016 #30
Bush made one convincing argument... but of course it was a lie eniwetok Apr 2016 #41
No one voted to declare war. rug Apr 2016 #39
that's the key difference... eniwetok Apr 2016 #40
The bottom line Proud Liberal Dem Apr 2016 #43
Bush started the war right when the evidence of WMD destruction was uncovered. eniwetok Apr 2016 #44
Exactly Proud Liberal Dem Apr 2016 #45
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