The fact that they call themselves a union doesn't make it so. They don't do collective bargaining (Reply #22)

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Recursion (56,389 posts)

22. The fact that they call themselves a union doesn't make it so. They don't do collective bargaining

If you don't do collective bargaining you aren't a "union" in any real sense; any TWA member is free to undercut or outbid any other TWA member for a given shift.

Worse yet, a few of their members are owner-operators who lease out their medallions and cars when they're not working, meaning they represent both labor and management.

Hell, they couldn't affiliate with AFL until AFL very reluctantly put through a rules change recently to allow contractors' associations to affiliate (and, honestly, by that rule change, most chambers of commerce are at least technically able to affiliate now).

In all of the screeds about Uber, nobody has ever actually been able to show that Uber drivers make less than medallion drivers: because they don't.

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74 replies	Author	Time	Post
Bashing Uber and Lyft? [View all]	Demonaut	May 2016	OP
I use Uber, shop at Walmart and love Chick Fil-A	B2G	May 2016	#1
thanks	Demonaut	May 2016	#9
I don't think that at all	yeoman6987	May 2016	#33
Uber & Lyft are leaving Austin	griffi94	May 2016	#2
Here's my take on Uber (from another thread)	CoffeeCat	May 2016	#3
Seems to me you agreed with most of the OP. nt	B2G	May 2016	#4
I suppose so	CoffeeCat	May 2016	#5
but what I posted is, in your terms "absolutely false" but not once did you contradict me	Demonaut	May 2016	#6
The first post I made in your thread	CoffeeCat	May 2016	#10
you did say "from another thread" but without the link it was confusing, I'm glad you agree, thanks	Demonaut	May 2016	#11
Ahhh. That was a RESPONSE to another thread. I was WTFing also.	Hassin Bin Sober	May 2016	#14
I was confused	OriginalGeek	May 2016	#69
What Do Drivers Need To Know About Rideshare Insurance?	FrodosPet	May 2016	#72
The people driving for Uber and Lyft are hard working people ....	etherealtruth	May 2016	#7
thanks, the tips are more than the monetary value, it lets us know we're appreciated	Demonaut	May 2016	#8
Damn, you make a nefarious racket sound so soft and fuzzy	WhaTHellsgoingonhere	May 2016	#48
The person that wrote this OP is a human being trying to make ends meet	etherealtruth	May 2016	#52
I'm happy for him and for you and for all the people who find Uber a superior product. But you guys	WhaTHellsgoingonhere	May 2016	#53
I don't believe the OP is the tool, in this case n/t	etherealtruth	May 2016	#54
thank you, I appreciate the thoughtfulness in your responses	Demonaut	May 2016	#55
I love people. Find one word they feel comfortable responding to.	WhaTHellsgoingonhere	May 2016	#57
I will stick with taxis, thanks	Skittles	May 2016	#12
Why? They treat their drivers even worse (nt)	Recursion	May 2016	#15
They're unionized and regulated. n/t	pnwmom	May 2016	#19
There are zero unionized taxi drivers in the country	Recursion	May 2016	#20
There are 50,000 in in NYC alone.	pnwmom	May 2016	#21
The fact that they call themselves a union doesn't make it so. They don't do collective bargaining	Recursion	May 2016	#22
They are bargaining with the cities that regulate their rates and working conditions.	pnwmom	May 2016	#24
No, you're describing a "lobby", not a "union"	Recursion	May 2016	#25
Funny, the Teamsters Union represents cab drivers and they think they're a union.	pnwmom	May 2016	#26
Did you catch where I mentioned the recent rule change that made that possible?	Recursion	May 2016	#27
That made what possible? The collective bargaining?	pnwmom	May 2016	#28
Those are rideshare drivers, not medallion taxi drivers	Recursion	May 2016	#29
Here is more information on how unions are engaged in COLLECTIVE BARGAINING for taxi drivers.	pnwmom	May 2016	#30
There's also much more to a union than collective bargaining	Major Nikon	May 2016	#38
Taxi service in many cities has sucked for DECADES.	Warren DeMontague	May 2016	#13
And taxi medallion owners usually have a ton of political power at the city level	Recursion	May 2016	#16
Exactly.	Warren DeMontague	May 2016	#17
Uber and Lyft are just..	sendero	May 2016	#18
Conventional cab service is shrinking, but it still has an important role	FrodosPet	May 2016	#65
Exactly	SickOfTheOnePct	May 2016	#66
Hopefully Uber can keep a steady supply of fresh new drivers for a long time to come	FrodosPet	May 2016	#70
Where did you get your MISinformation about background checks from? Uber? Lol	WhaTHellsgoingonhere	May 2016	#23
if you taken the time to the read the entire thread you would see the requirements	Demonaut	May 2016	#39
LOL From top to bottom you're all hypocritical crybabies. You want everything on your terms.	WhaTHellsgoingonhere	May 2016	#42
yes...let's be sure and promote	ibegurpard	May 2016	#31
Progressives should not be promoting these non-progressive companies.	alarimer	May 2016	#32
What pumpkin patch do you live in? Unlike city cab drivers, Uber drivers aren't obligated to take	WhaTHellsgoingonhere	May 2016	#34
lol, this idiot term "pumpkin patch" is rather funny...and justifies my post about ignorance	Demonaut	May 2016	#40
I am glad you created this thread. People only hear Uber's side of the argument because they never	WhaTHellsgoingonhere	May 2016	#44
and continue demonstrate your lack of knowledge of the multiple sides of this issue	Demonaut	May 2016	#46
Are you an employee or a business man? Do you have a business license to operate legally in your	WhaTHellsgoingonhere	May 2016	#35
yes, I have a business license, I'm just a guy who's trying to get by until I find something better	Demonaut	May 2016	#41
Of course you have a business license because Uber drivers never lie or break the law. They never	WhaTHellsgoingonhere	May 2016	#43
omg...lol, I'm done with the idiocy	Demonaut	May 2016	#47
Doesn't matter one fucking bit. I'm not done with you. You don't want to read anything but Uber's	WhaTHellsgoingonhere	May 2016	#49
lol...your funny, I feel better about driving now..lol	Demonaut	May 2016	#50
i use uber because cab service in my city sucks	fizzgig	May 2016	#36
Fingerprints will "CRIPPLE" ridesharing! LOL Uber & Lyft are run by Ayn Randian	WhaTHellsgoingonhere	May 2016	#37
Let's take this one lawsuit at a time. Uber Lie #1: Alleged Background checks	WhaTHellsgoingonhere	May 2016	#45
Are you a driver of a cab or truck?	Jackie Wilson Said	May 2016	#51
AFSCME Cab Drivers United Union member	WhaTHellsgoingonhere	May 2016	#56
What is a myth? That libertarian attitudes will force us all to work for peanuts?	Jackie Wilson Said	May 2016	#58
We can't let it happen. That's why we formed a union. A year ago, City Council didn't really know	WhaTHellsgoingonhere	May 2016	#61
Uber was started by Rahm's family? ugh	Jackie Wilson Said	May 2016	#62
His Hollywood agent mogul brother was an early and big investor and stands to make at least $1B	WhaTHellsgoingonhere	May 2016	#63
I forgot to mention, the biggest single of things to come is the Fight For 15 movement	WhaTHellsgoingonhere	May 2016	#64
Disabled riders are elegible for cab vouchers.	Starry Messenger	May 2016	#59
It's a temp job for me, and you're right, it's robbing Peter to pay Paul but I've few options	Demonaut	May 2016	#60
I am glad you understand that it is a desperation thing	FrodosPet	May 2016	#71
no on the taxes, digging that hole right now but yes to everything else, car is still under warranty	Demonaut	May 2016	#73
Don't lie about rideshare re: the warranty	FrodosPet	May 2016	#74
My mother supports herself as the owner of a taxi permit	DonRedwood	May 2016	#67
Umm .... Logic 101	ananda	May 2016	#68

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