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Response to caseymoz (Reply #28)

Sat Jun 9, 2012, 06:03 PM

32. Yes

I write long posts, a habit I need to get out of, so I'll try to keep this short (and point to my other post in this thread).

A common tactic from the right is to set fires in as many places as possible, knowing full well that the left will immediately rush in pell mell to try to put out as many of those fires as they can. While the left is putting out fires, the right sneaks into the bank and robs it.

This is a remarkably successful strategy short term. Longer term, of course, it's very destructive, especially when the left is unable to contain one or two fires that then spread beyond the ability to combat them, at which point, the whole town burns down. Inevitably the surviving members of the right point to the inability of the left to deal with the problems, even when those problems were caused by the right in the first place.

In a properly regulated society, those people who set the fires are caught and dealt with as part of the solution. However, when the society is too heavily regulated, it tends to catch people who might set fires, or are sympathetic to the fire setters, or are being paid by others to set fires, or may even be people who just happen to look like fire setters. The fear of getting caught by the fire fighters outweighs perceiving the benefit of those fire fighters, especially since the fire fighters are trying to look at longer term issues the implementation of which may negatively impact the otherwise unaffiliated person in the short term, making them more sympathetic to the fire-setters' viewpoint.

As I say elsewhere, I personally think that the likely end state is going to be the disintegration of the US into a number of smaller countries, each of which are able to tackle their local issues in local ways. I think there will be a civil war, but it will be short and the violence will be localized, and it will be decided primarily by air power, and that we'll then go through another seventy or eight years of small scale battles as these countries jockey for key resources. The south will revert to a de facto aristocratic oligarchy with a highly religious populace, the Northeast and the MidAtlantic will become an Eastern Liberal bastion, the Midwest will be slightly right of center, the plains will become a libertarian paradise(?!) until environmental degradation makes them all ardent environmentalists, the Pacific coastal region will become a left of center ecotopia, and the southwest will become a de-facto Hispanic country distinct from Mexico but politically more aligned with it. Several states will get broken apart in the process. Canada may get caught up in the process as well - Alberta and Saskatchewan are more political similar to Montana than they are to either Western British Columbia or Toronto, and a separatist Quebec would effectively split the country into three parts anyway.

I think this is a natural evolution, and is actually consistent with the ideals of the United States as a test bed of new political systems. Until now the political tensions that exist have provided a balancing dynamic that's given the country some flexibility, but its increasingly becoming evident that as the conflagrations rage that flexibility has all but disappeared.

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