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Meldread

(4,213 posts)
7. You are too busy engaging in the imaginary battle in your mind...
Fri Jun 24, 2016, 04:19 PM
Jun 2016

...rather than the war that is actually being fought.

I am not going to stand here and defend the neoliberal agenda of the EU, nor am I going to defend its flawed apparatuses. I am not arguing in favor of any of those things. I believe deep reform is necessary.

What I am arguing is that the EU provides the necessary stability that holds Europe together. It is under that umbrella that human rights have flourished and the cause of the Left has been advanced--more so than anywhere else in the world.

The Brexit will not benefit progressive, left-wing forces across the continent. It was led by right-wing reactionary forces in the UK, and this is only going to boost that reactionary arc developing across Europe -- from the presidential campaign of the National Front’s Marine Le Pen in France to the rise of the AfD in Germany to the electoral successes of the Austrian Freedom Party. If the EU collapses in this climate, that is who is going to take power. Not left wing forces.

The economically disadvantaged, migrants, and the Left are the ones who will suffer as a result of Brexit and a potential collapse of the EU.

You have empowered the Tory hard right--pushing the UK further to the right than even Cameron. It is likely the next Prime Minister will be Boris Johnson, and considering the fact that Brexit took place as a result of strong anti-immigrant sentiment, Johnson is likely to introduce draconian anti-migrant measures in response to the xenophobic feelings of the new hard right coalition that takes power.

In addition to this, a Johnson-led government is almost certain to withdraw from the European Convention on Human Rights, which the Tories have been chomping at the bit to get rid of for quite some time.

Then comes the far right radical neoliberal economic reform. As Paul Mason recently put it:

Johnson and the Tory right are seeking a mandate via the referendum for a return to full-blown Thatcherism: less employment regulation, lower wages, fewer constraints on business. If Britain votes Brexit, then Johnson and Gove stand ready to seize control of the Tory party and turn Britain into a neoliberal fantasy island.


In the end, the Left achieves nothing and becomes more marginalized than ever in UK politics. Things grow worse if Scotland decides to leave the UK for the EU.

It's time to face reality and stop fighting a battle that only exists in your imagination. The choice was not between the collapse of a neoliberal European Union, and the rise of a progressive Left UK that is freed from the shackles of their masters in Brussels. It was a choice between the neoliberal European Union and the ultra-neoliberal hard right reactionary forces in Britain and across all of Europe. That is the reality. Now the ultra-neoliberal hard right reactionary forces in Britain and across all of Europe have been gifted a giant victory. Congratulations. Enjoy your celebration.
amazing how TPP haters seem to love the EU so much nt msongs Jun 2016 #1
It's amazing that haters of trade deals... Meldread Jun 2016 #2
you just dont get it, it is not JUST Brexit, the entire EU was a priori a horrid project AntiBank Jun 2016 #4
Oh, I know exactly what you people want. Meldread Jun 2016 #5
ask the Greeks about fuckery AntiBank Jun 2016 #6
You are too busy engaging in the imaginary battle in your mind... Meldread Jun 2016 #7
I can simply reply that you have far too little faith for Labour AntiBank Jun 2016 #10
It is not the left that I do not have faith in, it is the voters. Meldread Jun 2016 #13
you keep saying neoliberalism is the far right, it is not, it is an infection of the left (making AntiBank Jun 2016 #17
Agree. Sometimes rebuilding from bottom up only answer. George Eliot Jun 2016 #19
Neoliberalism is defined by... Meldread Jun 2016 #20
"a general favoring of laissez-faire economic ideals, support for privatization, fiscal austerity, AntiBank Jun 2016 #25
Neoliberalism is NOT leftist. a la izquierda Jun 2016 #48
never said it was left, obviously AntiBank Jun 2016 #49
No, you said it's an infection of the left. a la izquierda Jun 2016 #62
I think the point was that the Aerows Jun 2016 #63
Well that I can agree with... a la izquierda Jun 2016 #64
and that is what I meant AntiBank Jun 2016 #65
btw I had read that Mason article several days ago AntiBank Jun 2016 #18
not the collapse, just reform swhisper1 Jun 2016 #26
"You people"?? whathehell Jun 2016 #50
watch and wait till Clinton does her likely post election pivot and TPP (if not rammed through AntiBank Jun 2016 #3
First intelligent thread on Brexit I've read. Thanks. George Eliot Jun 2016 #8
It is an immigrant issue: that's what the polls all show was the Leave voters' main concern muriel_volestrangler Jun 2016 #44
But the main reason... JSup Jun 2016 #46
Yeah, that's the situation in the UK. Government policy has caused a housing shortage muriel_volestrangler Jun 2016 #47
Yeah, employment is pretty decent... JSup Jun 2016 #61
K&R - though the EU didn't start off corrupt. closeupready Jun 2016 #9
Fido didn't start off... sendero Jun 2016 #12
Well regardless, it doesn't matter what I think - I'm American, and closeupready Jun 2016 #15
On the other hand, there's this to consider: closeupready Jun 2016 #16
Corruption. Everything becomes corrupt. Americans must stay informed. George Eliot Jun 2016 #23
UK just dug their own grave. JaneyVee Jun 2016 #11
That's why British unions, Jeremy Corbyn and Bernie Sanders supported Remain and pampango Jun 2016 #14
Link Bernie's support please. Per link, not so. George Eliot Jun 2016 #22
For example... LeftishBrit Jun 2016 #29
Sure. "Bernie Sanders Says He Hopes Britain Votes To Remain In The European Union" pampango Jun 2016 #31
Just wait until the 3rd Greek bailout and the upcoming European bank crisis. roamer65 Jun 2016 #21
+1000 laundry_queen Jun 2016 #42
It is hard to have a discussion with folks that don't know the difference between free and fair Rex Jun 2016 #24
+1000 smirkymonkey Jun 2016 #27
This is bullshit. I'm european and I remember how it was before the single market` anigbrowl Jun 2016 #28
Thanks for some firsthand knowledge. Hoyt Jun 2016 #30
I am a European resident too, some of it pre EU and you are dramatically distorting things AntiBank Jun 2016 #32
Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #34
you are the one with willful ignorance, all you do is ad hominem attacks AntiBank Jun 2016 #36
bullshit eh? AntiBank Jun 2016 #43
I'm the Queen of England and think you're disingenuous. tenderfoot Jun 2016 #35
have you ever lived here in the EU? you have some nerve calling me AntiBank Jun 2016 #37
pwned AntiBank Jun 2016 #41
Man d_r Jun 2016 #53
Debt at all levels (personal, private business, local governmental, national, and international) AntiBank Jun 2016 #33
The EU has done a better job of protecting workers' rights than the Tories would've done Spider Jerusalem Jun 2016 #38
go tell that to the millions of Eastern Europeans who are being AntiBank Jun 2016 #39
I'll be expecting the Tory's to enact sweeping labor laws soon. joshcryer Jun 2016 #45
Well said. British unions supported Remain because they trusted the EU more than they trusted the pampango Jun 2016 #40
"Whichever Tory is the next prime minister". That says it right all there. Teamster Jeff Jun 2016 #54
Labour campaigned to stay in the EU so I would love to see them win the next election. pampango Jun 2016 #56
The EU did such a good job with workers rights 52% of Brits voted to Leave Teamster Jeff Jun 2016 #51
Or both Spider Jerusalem Jun 2016 #52
No doubt racists are getting their rocks off but that doesn't explain 52% Teamster Jeff Jun 2016 #55
Older conservative voters favored Leave. Younger liberal voters favored Remain. pampango Jun 2016 #57
That's Odd TubbersUK Jun 2016 #58
I completely disagree. The EU has been wonderful for workers. eom MohRokTah Jun 2016 #59
drive-by lightweight woo, you rebutted nothing I posited, and here is a direct example of the EU AntiBank Jun 2016 #60
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