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JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
36. In that case, cut out the bogus patriotism.
Mon Aug 29, 2016, 07:29 PM
Aug 2016

The people are the country. A constitutional state is the country. Flags and songs are just that: flags and songs.

The flag is a piece of cloth. Worshipping the flag is not a sign of good citizenship. It mostly says you are ready to follow blindly any fool who waves a piece of cloth. It is unpatriotic to follow blindly!

The great scandal of our schools is that children know some crazy socialist preacher's "Pledge of Allegiance" to a piece of cloth, but they don't know the actual Constitution of their own country. This is one reason why so much shit is accepted that should not be.

The anthem is a war song that continues (in further stanzas) with a glorification of how runaway slaves were massacred.

Worshipping flags and singing anthems are religious rituals that do not befit the self-actualized citizens of a democratic, constitutional, secular republic.

As for your veteran relatives, they certainly sacrificed and no doubt believed it was for the defense of the country or some other high ideal, But unless they fought in the Second World War, that is just not so. Since 1945, the wars have almost always been for empire. U.S. soldiers had no business killing people (or being killed in return) in Vietnam, or Iraq, or Lebanon. Your veterans don't have any beef with people who protest these mass murders, or who sit through a song. Their beef should with a government that turned into a global empire.

They certainly didn't do anything to defend Colin Kaepernick or his rights. That is preposterous. His rights are natural, guaranteed under a rule of law, and in reality defended by people who fight for their rights when under attack right here at home, not by Marines in Syria or wherever.

Sorry that you don't like these realities.

Kaepernick is the patriot!

I happen to have great respect for veterans.... chillfactor Aug 2016 #1
We can disagree on this one malaise Aug 2016 #2
When did sitting down during the national anthem = shitting on America? Glassunion Aug 2016 #4
Do you really think disrespecting the national anthem and flag is going to in any way doc03 Aug 2016 #11
So, instead should a person of color be expected to or forced for the sake of perceved offence Glassunion Aug 2016 #23
+1,000 malaise Aug 2016 #25
always will be heroes in my book heaven05 Aug 2016 #43
How else does he draw attention to it? awoke_in_2003 Aug 2016 #56
Meanwhile, we have a few hundred elected officials.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Aug 2016 #5
And they're making the most noise malaise Aug 2016 #9
Well, Semper Fi, bro, but I disagree... Wounded Bear Aug 2016 #8
After finding out last year that the DOD paid millions of dollars Laurian Aug 2016 #14
I Disagree. I Am A Vietnam Vet And I Support Him. TheMastersNemesis Aug 2016 #17
how is not standing shitting on the country ? supporting trump is shitting on the country JI7 Aug 2016 #18
exactly!!! niyad Aug 2016 #52
"I have great respect for the men and women that have fought for this country." - Colin Kaepernick KeepItReal Aug 2016 #24
In that case, cut out the bogus patriotism. JackRiddler Aug 2016 #36
Koepenick reorg Aug 2016 #50
Subconsciously, yes. JackRiddler Aug 2016 #65
Hear, hear! smirkymonkey Aug 2016 #58
I believe this is exactly the right that soldiers have fought and died for. GreenEyedLefty Aug 2016 #38
Feel the same MarkEzra Aug 2016 #46
Part of being in a free country (what your generations of Marines fought for) FSogol Aug 2016 #47
I honestly don't get the uproar over this. PoindexterOglethorpe Aug 2016 #3
I'm a veteran and I found it incredibly disrespectful. NuclearDem Aug 2016 #6
Well, this veteran took an oath five times sarge43 Aug 2016 #39
I'm aware of that. NuclearDem Aug 2016 #53
I think Kaepernick has the right to choose True Dough Aug 2016 #7
Very well stated. NaturalHigh Aug 2016 #64
We still have freedom of expression here Warpy Aug 2016 #10
If we lack the option to stand or sit, our country's ideals are empty rhetoric lindysalsagal Aug 2016 #16
At least he's not praying to win games like some people. yortsed snacilbuper Aug 2016 #12
Oh their gawd was all over the malaise Aug 2016 #15
Sorry - don't understand........... MyOwnPeace Aug 2016 #22
Too much is right, can blame Tim Tebow who is now Jim Beard Aug 2016 #57
first world problems.... mike_c Aug 2016 #13
I don't give a fuck about overpaid athletes. cwydro Aug 2016 #19
^^^ THIS ^^^ nt jonno99 Aug 2016 #28
Why is not standing for the anthem disrespectful to veterans? Brickbat Aug 2016 #20
"Quarterback says country is a disaster: Ban him.... babylonsister Aug 2016 #21
There it is. Iggo Aug 2016 #63
Bingo! nt JanMichael Aug 2016 #66
He's done with football anyway. So he had nothing to lose. yeoman6987 Aug 2016 #26
From people shouting "Make America Great Again" vi5 Aug 2016 #27
Well said malaise Aug 2016 #29
This is the sort of bullshit that is grist for the rw AM radio crowd. The_Casual_Observer Aug 2016 #30
i careless whether he sits or stands but,,, Cryptoad Aug 2016 #31
you can be proud of your country Skittles Aug 2016 #32
I was under the impression he was protesting by the way he was playing on the field Travis_0004 Aug 2016 #33
It Is His Right colsohlibgal Aug 2016 #34
Kaep is HONORING the TRUE meaning of what the U.S. flag represents. vkkv Aug 2016 #35
I am FAR more offended by those who think they are the arbiters of what is or is not "pariotism." GoCubsGo Aug 2016 #37
if trump is elected, be this guy spike jones Aug 2016 #40
Thanks. Malaise vlakitti Aug 2016 #41
this person who happens to be an athlete heaven05 Aug 2016 #42
Turning their backs to the flag HockeyMom Aug 2016 #44
It was the right thing to do malaise Aug 2016 #45
Do Jehovah's Witnesses stand for the flag etc. Other groups? shadowmayor Aug 2016 #48
Great post malaise Aug 2016 #49
I worked with a JW woman in public school HockeyMom Aug 2016 #61
I do it every time I say it. One nation, indivisible, and justice for all. It's a 1.5 second pause. JanMichael Aug 2016 #67
Free speech does not mean freedom from consequences. AngryAmish Aug 2016 #51
Freedom = conformity and obedience! moondust Aug 2016 #54
K&R Jeffersons Ghost Aug 2016 #55
LOL malaise Aug 2016 #59
Simplest Possible Solution ProfessorGAC Aug 2016 #60
People fought and killed and died so he would have that right. Iggo Aug 2016 #62
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