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eniwetok

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10. so you agree that the Constitution set the politics of 1787 in cement?
Sun Jan 1, 2017, 12:06 AM
Jan 2017

That is essentially what you're saying. And sure, every special interest that was invited to what we now call the Constitutional Convention wanted a system that checked every other special interest. Toss in some class warfare with Madison wanting the Senate to protect the interests of the "minority of the opulent". Toss in some goodies for the slave states like the EC... and THIS is why we have the EC... to magnify the power of whites in the slave states... not because of RI. The eventual formula benefited RI, but RI wasn't even represented at the Convention. Much of what we think we know about the EC was concocted later. I'll dig up the minutes of the Convention if you like...

But are we, today, forever to be held to the will of 2000 or so white men who ratified this agreement when the Framers negated the Articles? The Article were supposed to the a perpetual union... requiring unanimous consent to make amendments. And sure, the smaller states aren't the ones screwed in the current system... it's the PEOPLE in the larger states. Any citizen living in CA who moves to WY automatically gets a 3.3x bigger presidential vote and 70x bigger vote for the Senate. No, CA's larger House contingent doesn't make up for the difference because any citizen in CA only gets one representative.

The bottom line is the current system can not provide morally legitimate government as election 2016 proved. We can face the defects in the system... or forever be the victims of those defects.

Let's start with going back to basics Retrograde Dec 2016 #1
Several years back? pangaia Dec 2016 #3
I know the argument... but it's deeply flawed eniwetok Jan 2017 #14
Because deist99 Dec 2016 #2
I have my facts straight... eniwetok Dec 2016 #5
Because otherwise we would have no country at all NobodyHere Dec 2016 #8
And the slave states wouldn't have signed on without provisions protecting slavery. n/t JustinL Dec 2016 #9
Sure... eniwetok Jan 2017 #13
so you agree that the Constitution set the politics of 1787 in cement? eniwetok Jan 2017 #10
You do know how this country was put together right? NobodyHere Dec 2016 #4
Exactly forthemiddle Dec 2016 #6
curious definition of "self-governed" eniwetok Jan 2017 #11
We The People... eniwetok Jan 2017 #12
but the Presidency is a national office JustinL Jan 2017 #17
state vs federal eniwetok Jan 2017 #23
we have to stop being victimized by the politics of 1787 eniwetok Dec 2016 #7
Yup, the popular vote was compromised away eniwetok Jan 2017 #15
Serious change starts at the local level. Initech Jan 2017 #16
the problem with thinking change starts at the local level eniwetok Jan 2017 #25
The vote is lost. For good. You won't get it back with voting. McCamy Taylor Jan 2017 #18
PS Democracy died in 2010 with Citizens United. Most folks just didn't realize it at the time. McCamy Taylor Jan 2017 #19
sorry.... CU may not have mattered eniwetok Jan 2017 #21
Forget democratic, is our government today even representative of the people? ck4829 Jan 2017 #20
the only way government can represent the people eniwetok Jan 2017 #26
teach civics...teach civics...teach civics annabanana Jan 2017 #22
what good is civics if the system is not responsive to the People? eniwetok Jan 2017 #24
The crappy electoral system is the core of the US' political failings: DetlefK Jan 2017 #27
our system can create contempt between natural allies. eniwetok Jan 2017 #28
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