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meadowlander

(4,387 posts)
26. This is the opposite of helpful.
Sat Jan 21, 2017, 08:54 PM
Jan 2017

We need to move past the election and look forward.

1. Most of these people probably did vote (and volunteer and donate)

2. Nobody thought Trump was going to win, including Trump. Nate Silver had between a 70-90% of Clinton winning for months before the election. Why would you hold marches and rallies when you're already 90% sure your candidate is going to win?

3. It takes months to organise something like this. Pink hats and signs don't materialise out of thin air.

4. A few more people in Philly, Detroit and Milwaukee would not have helped because the problem is gerrymandering, voter roll purging, broken machines in Democratic districts, misinformation campaigns, etc. The problem is the system, not the people. And you don't fix the system by lecturing the people, many of whom live in districts where they have to take time off work, hunt down a polling station that difficult to access, stand in line for four hours and then find out their vote didn't count anyway because either the machine was broken or they live in a district that was always going to go D anyway.

More people voted in 2016 that in any previous election and 3 million more of them voted for Clinton. Don't buy into the meme that Trump is sitting in the Oval Office for any reason other than the fact that the system is rigged to keep Republicans in power.

More important: where will they be in 2018? Retrograde Jan 2017 #1
Will the organization and activism continue? Hopefully. But where was it three months ago???????? RBInMaine Jan 2017 #3
One of the things I heard at the march was that justiceischeap Jan 2017 #2
You never, ever, ever take ANYTHING for granted! It was DUMB thinking and DUMB behavior!! Hopefully RBInMaine Jan 2017 #4
Unfortunately it seems every generation has to learn that for themselves. Agschmid Jan 2017 #13
They will learn the hard way. liquid diamond Jan 2017 #33
Most people I talked to DID vote and volunteer forjusticethunders Jan 2017 #35
I was just saying this... orwell Jan 2017 #5
Actuallly we did. Check the popular vote totals. Agschmid Jan 2017 #14
We didn't where needed, and MILLIONS didn't vote or voted third party. Colossal FUCK UP, PERIOD! RBInMaine Jan 2017 #22
Absolutely positively CORRECT! Learn the lesson, and March in October/November 2018!!!!! RBInMaine Jan 2017 #20
If all those people actually voted... tinrobot Jan 2017 #6
78,000 votes in three states. Keeps me up at night. kairos12 Jan 2017 #7
The gory details: Trump margins: PA: 0.73%, WI: 0.77%, MI: 0.23% progree Jan 2017 #8
Back to my regularly scheduled tequila network. kairos12 Jan 2017 #12
Ask Putin and Comey Takket Jan 2017 #9
Comey and Putin didn't force "progressives" to stay home or vote third party. OWN the FUCK UP! RBInMaine Jan 2017 #24
Post removed Post removed Jan 2017 #30
Media was bombarding us with 'her emails, her emails'. Kingofalldems Jan 2017 #10
With the mega-monster that is Trump, that should not have mattered. Many were APATHETIC! Period! RBInMaine Jan 2017 #19
K & R .. JHan Jan 2017 #11
she got 3 million more votes than he did JI7 Jan 2017 #15
She didn't win where NEEDED, and APATHY killed us, not just Comey and Putin!!! RBInMaine Jan 2017 #17
the comey thing was a huge factor and a lot has come out after about how it was too hurt Clinton JI7 Jan 2017 #21
Complacency leads to disaster Calculating Jan 2017 #16
Spot on correct! RBInMaine Jan 2017 #18
+ 1 liquid diamond Jan 2017 #34
I hear ya. Maybe few thought he would win so it didn't matter. wrong Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2017 #23
People don't pay attention. wildeyed Jan 2017 #25
This is the opposite of helpful. meadowlander Jan 2017 #26
Interesting that I don't see the word "disenfranchised" anywhere on this thread. n/t Cal Carpenter Jan 2017 #27
WHAT MAKES YOU THINK THEY DIDN'T VOTE? truebluegreen Jan 2017 #28
Plenty of Hillary voters raised their voices today! Generic Other Jan 2017 #38
Some folks (like march co-chair Linda Sarsour) find it easier to be anti-Trump than pro-Hillary oberliner Jan 2017 #29
Sure you want to go there? HassleCat Jan 2017 #31
With each fresh Trump horror, I think of those who said they couldn't vote for Clinton betsuni Jan 2017 #32
People are fools Generator Jan 2017 #36
honestly DonCoquixote Jan 2017 #37
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