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eniwetok

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19. Confederate is a loaded term...
Tue Feb 21, 2017, 10:49 PM
Feb 2017

Are you referring to the Articles Of Confederation? Why do you consider that not to have been a "republic"? It had a constitution, there were no titles of nobility, and it had a representative government... sort of. Delegates to Congress were chosen by the states. It was also considered a "perpetual union". That's stated in several places such as

XIII.
Every State shall abide by the determination of the United States in Congress assembled, on all questions which by this confederation are submitted to them. And the Articles of this Confederation shall be inviolably observed by every State, and the Union shall be perpetual; nor shall any alteration at any time hereafter be made in any of them; unless such alteration be agreed to in a Congress of the United States, and be afterwards confirmed by the legislatures of every State.




But it should be noted that the amendment formula in the Articles was absurd... requiring unanimous consent of all the state legislatures. But now our System has essentially become equally absurd. States with just 4% of the US population can block any amendment... that is if an amendment can even make it out of Congress.

What we call the Constitutional Convention is a misnomer... where we're rewriting our own history to make it sound as if a new constitution was the intent. It wasn't. The Delegates were charged with fixing the unfixable Articles. The old Congress went along with the sending the new draft constitution to the states, but this was somewhat of an unauthorized "coup".

And isn't it ridiculous that we are still using this antiquated, racist system, thus we have trump.. brush Feb 2017 #1
The whole electoral system of the US is Third-World-rate. DetlefK Feb 2017 #4
not just tradition... eniwetok Feb 2017 #6
New England states are small and the EC was for them as well as Larkspur Feb 2017 #2
ROTF... did you even read the link? eniwetok Feb 2017 #5
are you denying much of the Constitution was designed to PROTECT slavery? eniwetok Feb 2017 #7
The Constitution was not about protecting slavery Larkspur Feb 2017 #12
of course it's not ALL about protecting slavery.... and I never said that. eniwetok Feb 2017 #16
it's always difficult to imagine how complex systems react to single changes. unblock Feb 2017 #10
Once we think of how PEOPLE are represented... instead of "states"... eniwetok Feb 2017 #11
Oh, there's no question-- BarackTheVote Feb 2017 #3
the EC can not be fixed... eniwetok Feb 2017 #8
why isn't the House "mob rule"????? eniwetok Feb 2017 #9
The point I was trying to make was that BarackTheVote Feb 2017 #13
and making the Constitution more amendable SHOULD be a Democratic issue. eniwetok Feb 2017 #15
Conservative Blogs Locutusofborg Feb 2017 #14
our system destroys any democratic instinct... eniwetok Feb 2017 #17
We were for 10 yrs under the 1st Confederate government and in order to CK_John Feb 2017 #18
Confederate is a loaded term... eniwetok Feb 2017 #19
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2017 #20
it's AA for somebody, that's for sure, and it needs to go. nt TheFrenchRazor Feb 2017 #21
don't call it affirmative action. Bucky Feb 2017 #22
I use the term.... eniwetok Feb 2017 #23
What you're describing is welfare, not affirmative action Bucky Feb 2017 #26
Answer: the EC existed before the vote of the people... brooklynite Feb 2017 #24
The voice of the People expanded in the Constitution... eniwetok Feb 2017 #25
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