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athena

(4,187 posts)
11. I feel the same way.
Sat Jun 3, 2017, 07:05 PM
Jun 2017

An incredibly intelligent, experienced, caring, and competent woman -- a woman who had almost no flaws, made no major mistakes, and had an almost superhuman level of control over her emotions, her behavior, and her facial expressions -- lost to an obviously mentally unstable man with zero government experience and no policy. Any woman who thinks Hillary's loss was her own fault and that another woman would do better is in denial about what the last election revealed about the depth of sexism in American society.

Realistically, it might be necessary for the first woman president to be the v.p. first DavidDvorkin Jun 2017 #1
Boy, is that a Fifties mentality. I think we've progressed way beyond that. Demit Jun 2017 #6
No, it's a realistic reaction to what happened in November DavidDvorkin Jun 2017 #7
So we fight voter suppression. We don't say wait your turn, little lady, your day might come. Demit Jun 2017 #9
Before November, I also thought we as a society were past all of that DavidDvorkin Jun 2017 #10
She won the popular vote shenmue Jun 2017 #20
Conservatives hacked our voting machines - the Presidency was stolen from Hillary FakeNoose Jun 2017 #104
Do you deny she was brutalized? apcalc Jun 2017 #55
"Literally brutalized" (if the quote is accurate), no elehhhhna Jun 2017 #85
Realistically, the first female President may be a Republican. Algernon Moncrieff Jun 2017 #15
Yes, that's also true. DavidDvorkin Jun 2017 #18
Realistically, it is likely to be a Republican woman. Because then the Rethugs pnwmom Jun 2017 #28
There's a double standard for Democrats generally BeyondGeography Jun 2017 #2
Yeah... sheshe2 Jun 2017 #27
Of course you're right melman Jun 2017 #32
Excuse me? sheshe2 Jun 2017 #93
I suspect they are just talking about you.... Baconator Jun 2017 #145
Yup... sheshe2 Jun 2017 #147
I don't think it would begin to compare treestar Jun 2017 #114
I feel like America is in an abusive relationship with the republicans. Initech Jun 2017 #150
So I just looked up how to end an abusive relationship BeyondGeography Jun 2017 #152
Bill Maher was right last week. Initech Jun 2017 #155
I don't think many of us will live to see a woman president. yallerdawg Jun 2017 #3
Longevity in my family... sheshe2 Jun 2017 #4
I feel the same way. athena Jun 2017 #11
You said it. +1000 apcalc Jun 2017 #58
Agree n/t spooky3 Jun 2017 #88
Yes. Squinch Jun 2017 #108
She did get the popular vote though treestar Jun 2017 #116
I wouldn't discount it GatoGordo Jun 2017 #14
More than half the country despised the candidate... yallerdawg Jun 2017 #16
I won't fall into that trap GatoGordo Jun 2017 #110
That's a vague word, "unlikeable." treestar Jun 2017 #117
Unlikable or Unliked? NastyRiffraff Jun 2017 #124
I always thought it was more about authenticity... Baconator Jun 2017 #146
Clinton never got above 48% approval Motownman78 Jun 2017 #21
Yet she won the popular vote by millions. sheshe2 Jun 2017 #45
the benghazi crap was effective too JHan Jun 2017 #61
Clinton had a 69% approval rating lapucelle Jun 2017 #63
Hell yes! sheshe2 Jun 2017 #95
+1,000 NastyRiffraff Jun 2017 #126
She won the popular vote shenmue Jun 2017 #22
did you ever stop to think about the nonsensical "polarizing" meme ... JHan Jun 2017 #25
My guess? sheshe2 Jun 2017 #29
Polarizing....why? apcalc Jun 2017 #59
Exactly! She was a woman who didn't know her place. athena Jun 2017 #67
+1111 treestar Jun 2017 #118
Because the media and Rs had made it that way treestar Jun 2017 #115
I think there's a small chance that Nikki Haley could be appointed VP if Pence is bounced out... Hekate Jun 2017 #5
I don't think Trump will be impeached. He is already committing impeachable offenses StevieM Jun 2017 #8
In order for him to be impeached, there have to be sufficient votes in both House & Senate Hekate Jun 2017 #57
Excellent post. athena Jun 2017 #79
Thanks Hekate Jun 2017 #83
Male Democrats were not treated better karynnj Jun 2017 #12
It wasn't Democrats and "independents" who were saying those things... yallerdawg Jun 2017 #17
Boom! sheshe2 Jun 2017 #24
What days are you basing your claim on? Exilednight Jun 2017 #131
At least there's a step in the right direction! yallerdawg Jun 2017 #138
I never said there wasn't a misogynostic element involved. Exilednight Jun 2017 #141
Excuse me? yallerdawg Jun 2017 #142
She's only been the Democratic nominee once. Exilednight Jun 2017 #143
Women can be extremely sexist RockCreek Jun 2017 #154
And people of colour can be extremely racist towards people of colour. Exilednight Jun 2017 #158
Did Obama, who I loved as my President...or Kerry sheshe2 Jun 2017 #26
John Kerry has been a target of the right since 1971, when he protested the war karynnj Jun 2017 #89
White male Democrats were treated better. President Obama had to deal with racism, pnwmom Jun 2017 #30
JFC melman Jun 2017 #34
Bill Clinton wasn't subject to sexism or racism. n/t pnwmom Jun 2017 #41
But that's not what you said melman Jun 2017 #49
Yes, he was. It's beyond ridiculous to suggest that he wasn't. pnwmom Jun 2017 #51
Was Hillary running for 30 years? melman Jun 2017 #52
The OP is about the next female Presidential candidate. pnwmom Jun 2017 #54
Thanks sheshe2 Jun 2017 #73
Exactly J0D Jun 2017 #133
Yes, it would be unbearable. Welcome to DU, J0D! nt pnwmom Jun 2017 #134
Hello. :) J0D Jun 2017 #144
JFC sheshe2 Jun 2017 #47
Do you think she'd agree melman Jun 2017 #50
First of all I am a loyal Democrat. sheshe2 Jun 2017 #56
She was all but required by left and right to apologize EllieBC Jun 2017 #69
Boom! sheshe2 Jun 2017 #72
And was STILL criticized for it during the campaign! NastyRiffraff Jun 2017 #127
There is completely subjective - I think Kerry was treated every bit as badly karynnj Jun 2017 #36
After he lost the election, did people insist he wear sackcloth and ashes pnwmom Jun 2017 #43
Well - Did Kerry blame the DNC, the SBVT, his primary opponents, his terrible VP??? karynnj Jun 2017 #48
You can't really compare races in that way.. JHan Jun 2017 #60
I have argued for years that you can't compare results from different years - karynnj Jun 2017 #71
I'm looking at it from a systems perspective though.. JHan Jun 2017 #76
SBVT was a special brand of cruelty BeyondGeography Jun 2017 #65
In 2005, there was one report that Rove chose this because he saw that Kerry never spoke karynnj Jun 2017 #82
I remember reading Douglas Brinkley's book prior to the campaign BeyondGeography Jun 2017 #87
Hlllary has been defending herself. Kerry wasn't asked to account for his loss pnwmom Jun 2017 #81
BOTH Kerry and Sanders were told by many many people to never run for President again karynnj Jun 2017 #86
I thought Kerry handled his loss very well without coming across as a sore loser. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2017 #151
Or an A on his chest? sheshe2 Jun 2017 #75
That could only go so far and work on treestar Jun 2017 #120
I'm going to disagree. lapucelle Jun 2017 #125
rec YCHDT Jun 2017 #130
It's not exactly a sample of one. You are looking at the wrong sampling pool IMO. StevieM Jun 2017 #74
What I said is that only one woman has been the nominee nt karynnj Jun 2017 #90
Not nearly the same amount of demonizing treestar Jun 2017 #119
Hillary only lost due to election tampering and a bunch of flukes which happened at once Calculating Jun 2017 #13
I agree, however GatoGordo Jun 2017 #19
Well the Dems you know that sat out the election.... sheshe2 Jun 2017 #31
"Democrat voters" refused to vote for Hillary. And "too many" at that. oasis Jun 2017 #37
ha.... sheshe2 Jun 2017 #39
Wasn't likeable? Horsepucky. apcalc Jun 2017 #62
"Horsepucky"? You have omniscience? GatoGordo Jun 2017 #111
the ight has been anti CLINTON since 1993 & the rise of Newt. pansypoo53219 Jun 2017 #23
Hillary would have won handily in 2008 Awsi Dooger Jun 2017 #33
The real problem is that White women won't support a woman for president. Yavin4 Jun 2017 #35
I'm shocked that a majority of white women voted for Trump Calculating Jun 2017 #38
Hey, white woman here who voted for Hillary every time I could Old Terp Jun 2017 #42
I'm not Lotusflower70 Jun 2017 #53
That ignores that ANY Democrat gets near 90% of the AFrican American vote karynnj Jun 2017 #44
2020 maybe the perfect time for a woman to run and win. Blue_true Jun 2017 #40
"If you can't stand the heat" Locutusofborg Jun 2017 #46
I doubt it. Else You Are Mad Jun 2017 #64
To be the first of anything you have to be better than Pisces Jun 2017 #66
Who is perfect? sheshe2 Jun 2017 #68
Maybe not perfect, but extraordinary. President Obama Pisces Jun 2017 #78
Now you changed perfect to extrodinary. Fine with me. sheshe2 Jun 2017 #84
No one is perfect. athena Jun 2017 #70
Your reply is ridiculous. I never said I hated Hillary. I stated Pisces Jun 2017 #77
+ a million. It's time we are finally allowed to say what we were censored from saying in the campai mhw Jun 2017 #80
+1 betsuni Jun 2017 #107
Has there been a Presidential candidate in the modern era... Baconator Jun 2017 #91
She was far more than others. sheshe2 Jun 2017 #92
I don't think she got it any worse than the others... Baconator Jun 2017 #94
Care to list her... sheshe2 Jun 2017 #97
My top two... Baconator Jun 2017 #122
You don't see any difference between the treatment Hillary got and the treatment the rest got? Squinch Jun 2017 #109
I think Hillary as the pioneer has helped whoever the next female Presidential Candidate is, from still_one Jun 2017 #96
Hey you... sheshe2 Jun 2017 #98
she sure has sheshe, and as we all can see, she is currently in the middle of building still_one Jun 2017 #99
Hey! sheshe2 Jun 2017 #101
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ still_one Jun 2017 #102
;) sheshe2 Jun 2017 #103
No question. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2017 #153
Not if the woman running for President is a mainstream Republican andym Jun 2017 #100
That will never happen. George II Jun 2017 #112
I agree, the Republicans may make a show treestar Jun 2017 #121
They nominated Palin for VP already andym Jun 2017 #128
5 of 52 Senators, 21 of 241 Representatives, less than 10% in each case. George II Jun 2017 #129
However, there are enough such that some of these GOP women would be viable candidates for President andym Jun 2017 #132
Palin was rightly Ridiculed in a way Trump was not. Palin was not normalized by the msm JI7 Jun 2017 #148
might not have made it out of a GOP primary intact though La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2017 #137
Yes. Even by those in your own party. Jakes Progress Jun 2017 #105
Obviously the next female candidate must be able to see into the future and know betsuni Jun 2017 #106
She is so right treestar Jun 2017 #113
K&R Scurrilous Jun 2017 #123
Hillary Clinton was prepared to be president, she has the knowledge. I would Thinkingabout Jun 2017 #135
I hear you, Thinkingabout. sheshe2 Jun 2017 #136
Personality is part of the recipe... Baconator Jun 2017 #149
I think it depends on the woman Quixote1818 Jun 2017 #139
Agree. Kamala Harris would tell them to go fuck themselves, end of discussion. Vinca Jun 2017 #140
Kamala Harris would make an awesome candidate. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2017 #156
k&r DesertRat Jun 2017 #157
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2017 #159
Welcome Back! RandiFan1290 Jun 2017 #160
Hillary Clinton is correct in her analysis Gothmog Jun 2017 #161
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