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athena

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36. Impeachment wouldn't have achieved anything.
Fri Jun 23, 2017, 01:47 PM
Jun 2017

It would have made some people on DU feel good, but it would have given a lot of moderates out there the impression that Democrats were being vindictive. Many Democrats, including myself, feel strongly that it is wrong to use impeachment for political purposes, and impeaching George W. Bush would have appeared political to a huge part of the electorate. Nancy Pelosi chose to focus on getting legislation passed. That is why she is the leader of the House Democrats. She is extremely effective in passing Democratic legislation, and stopping Republican legislation, within the limits of what is mathematically possible.

I don't think it's good to imitate the Republicans. Their base is dominated by stupid and uneducated people. If Democrats started acting like Republicans and imitated their behavior on Benghazi, much of the Democratic base would become disillusioned with politics completely and stop voting altoghether.

Frankly, if it weren't Pelosi's comment about impeachment, it would be something else. Those who hated Hillary claimed they would be all for her if it weren't for her Iraq war vote. Yeah, let's just ignore 99% of a politician's positions and focus on the one thing she did that we don't agree with, to the exclusion of everything else. When people hate women, they always find something to latch on to. That kind of attitude is what gave us President Trump. I'm sorry, but I have no tolerance left for sexists who pretend that they're not sexist, just purer and better than everyone else.

Thank you. BainsBane Jun 2017 #1
Normally a lot of these "though experiments" really annoy me. NCTraveler Jun 2017 #2
Thanks! TeapotInATempest Jun 2017 #5
This Hekate Jun 2017 #10
Well done! mcar Jun 2017 #3
Thank you! TeapotInATempest Jun 2017 #6
So true! HoosierDebbie Jun 2017 #4
"Off with her head" is the perfect way to put it TeapotInATempest Jun 2017 #8
I'm so old and my memory so good... vi5 Jun 2017 #7
I'm old enough to remember those things too TeapotInATempest Jun 2017 #9
Right.... vi5 Jun 2017 #12
The only choices aren't refusing to change or armageddon BainsBane Jun 2017 #28
THIS x1000 TeapotInATempest Jun 2017 #30
+ + +. n/t BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2017 #69
Well said, thank you for writing this post. emulatorloo Jun 2017 #73
But all I see on here is refusal to change... vi5 Jun 2017 #75
and I hear the same from the other side BainsBane Jun 2017 #76
"the other side" vi5 Jun 2017 #82
"Potential"? BainsBane Jun 2017 #84
+1000 smirkymonkey Jun 2017 #77
We need an anti-apathy campaign to GOTV OhNo-Really Jun 2017 #85
+1000 treestar Jun 2017 #88
Do you remember lefties joining in and echoing RW talking points? bettyellen Jun 2017 #31
Yep, exactly. TeapotInATempest Jun 2017 #33
Now we're supposed to allow the GOP to determine the House leadership BainsBane Jun 2017 #34
"A man sees what he wants to see and disregards the rest" emulatorloo Jun 2017 #74
Exactly treestar Jun 2017 #87
I'm old and I have a good memory. Jakes Progress Jun 2017 #37
+ + + n/t BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2017 #68
Don't ever forget Comey. deurbano Jun 2017 #89
True. Jakes Progress Jun 2017 #90
You should also be able to realize women are rising in power now unlike then nini Jun 2017 #81
k and r and thank you. niyad Jun 2017 #11
Lots of hypothetical situations in your post. MineralMan Jun 2017 #13
Well done. It's like some out there want to decapitate the Dem Party leadership ("clean house").... Hekate Jun 2017 #14
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2017 #15
Oh my TeapotInATempest Jun 2017 #16
Was that your first troll? irisblue Jun 2017 #25
It was! TeapotInATempest Jun 2017 #27
you handled that russian/RWNJ bot like a PRO... stonecutter357 Jun 2017 #53
Ha, thanks TeapotInATempest Jun 2017 #58
It might be a more instructive lesson if properly framed. Act_of_Reparation Jun 2017 #17
It is properly framed TeapotInATempest Jun 2017 #23
Thank you! Phoenix61 Jun 2017 #43
Nope TeapotInATempest Jun 2017 #48
No, it really isn't. Act_of_Reparation Jun 2017 #52
I think the loss of democratic seats has much more to do with Citizens United and gerrymandering. BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2017 #70
Yes, and Dems lost seats because they voted for healthcare and saving the economy emulatorloo Jun 2017 #83
I think you've forgotten about the DCCC. Their job is to help elect congressional candidates emulatorloo Jun 2017 #71
Do we add Michelle Obama as a former president, one former primary loss for the previous AtheistCrusader Jun 2017 #18
Sure, why not? TeapotInATempest Jun 2017 #26
It would be hugely unusual for a party to run anything but the incumbent for President. AtheistCrusader Jun 2017 #38
Of course it would be unusual TeapotInATempest Jun 2017 #42
Oh yes. If he'd lost in 2004 there's zero chance he would have run in 2008. AtheistCrusader Jun 2017 #46
Of course he wouldn't have run again TeapotInATempest Jun 2017 #50
That's a great example, but I think it would tend to support my position. AtheistCrusader Jun 2017 #56
That's why she formed Onward Together BainsBane Jun 2017 #29
Good, and that's precisely what we need right now. AtheistCrusader Jun 2017 #40
Why are you assuming she hasn't? She's had amazing liberalprotgs. bettyellen Jun 2017 #49
I'm not assuming, and two people have already mentioned the program she started. AtheistCrusader Jun 2017 #57
"Times a waisting" wrongly implied she was wasting time. bettyellen Jun 2017 #59
That's criticism I've been repeating of the DNC/party of late. AtheistCrusader Jun 2017 #60
I guess I don't like it when we parrot unfounded criticism. It's not lost on me that many here bettyellen Jun 2017 #62
Thank-you. That was very well stated. pirateshipdude Jun 2017 #19
Awesome wryter2000 Jun 2017 #20
Here's another thought experiment. What if Barack Obama had been vilified by... Buckeye_Democrat Jun 2017 #21
The only quibble I have with pelosi is the "Impeachment is off the table" remarks re W. Lucky Luciano Jun 2017 #22
I have that same quibble, most definitely TeapotInATempest Jun 2017 #24
Impeachment wouldn't have achieved anything. athena Jun 2017 #36
George W. Bush killed, quite possibly up to a half million civilians. AtheistCrusader Jun 2017 #45
No need to even mention the word impeachment for W. Lucky Luciano Jun 2017 #72
+1 AtheistCrusader Jun 2017 #41
Just my 'thought experiment' analysis.... Trial_By_Fire Jun 2017 #32
Excellent! pandr32 Jun 2017 #35
Well stated! I definitely see anti-women at play here - Elizabeth Warren, Nancy Pelosi, iluvtennis Jun 2017 #39
I agree, a united front even if we have to fake it TeapotInATempest Jun 2017 #44
If only there was a way to keep our leadership and bring in new young Democrats IronLionZion Jun 2017 #47
Definitely frustrating to lose to him TeapotInATempest Jun 2017 #54
THIS EXACTLY!! persister Jun 2017 #51
Wow, thanks! TeapotInATempest Jun 2017 #55
Couldn't have said this MontanaMama Jun 2017 #61
Welcome to DU underpants Jun 2017 #63
Thanks! TeapotInATempest Jun 2017 #64
Welcome Teapot...kyusu-san wa DU ni yokoso yuiyoshida Jun 2017 #65
Thanks, yuiyoshida TeapotInATempest Jun 2017 #66
Honto desu! True! yuiyoshida Jun 2017 #67
Thank YOU! smirkymonkey Jun 2017 #78
Thanks! TeapotInATempest Jun 2017 #79
Your opinions are always welcome here! smirkymonkey Jun 2017 #80
Misogyny, Like Racism, is Deeply Woven into the American Fabric dlk Jun 2017 #86
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