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11. quid pro quo isn't necessary for espionage

Mon Jun 26, 2017, 09:26 PM

Jun 2017

if someone hands gives very sensitive password to the enemy asking absolutely nothing in return, it's still espionage.

the quid pro quo might help prove involvement and motive, however.

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Calling all Constitutional lawyer wannabes: What IS the crime? [View all] Mr. Ected Jun 2017 OP

Treason. Republican treason Achilleaze Jun 2017 #1

That would be treason onecaliberal Jun 2017 #2

It just doesn't seem possible that a president is Treasonous LakeArenal Jun 2017 #3

There is a reason Treason is specifically listed in the constitution marylandblue Jun 2017 #6

Yes, and it doesn't apply here. I'd like a serious answer Hortensis Jun 2017 #25

It is likely that the only actual crime is going to be obstruction. Voltaire2 Jun 2017 #28

I've heard that obstruction is also potentially questionable, Hortensis Jun 2017 #35

As long as he is president, nothing he or his campaign team did or are doing is illegal Voltaire2 Jun 2017 #36

I've heard that first argued, but it'd unquestionably Hortensis Jun 2017 #37

The constitution is pretty clear. Voltaire2 Jun 2017 #47

An insane traitor has taken over our country and shit is not really being done about it! Lint Head Jun 2017 #4

A lot is being done about it, but it is all locked away in Mueller's office for now marylandblue Jun 2017 #9

Exactly. And in the intelligence services' of various Hortensis Jun 2017 #39

If there was quid pro quo to get info or assistance from the hacking DefenseLawyer Jun 2017 #5

Treasonous, but doesn't rise to the level of Treason Mr. Ected Jun 2017 #7

This would be it, I think. DefenseLawyer Jun 2017 #12

There would have to be classified information involved. Not needed to get Trump elected. Voltaire2 Jun 2017 #29

Lots are things are classified DefenseLawyer Jun 2017 #31

Yes of course lots of things are classified. Voltaire2 Jun 2017 #34

If they were competent and of good judgement, Hortensis Jun 2017 #43

Nothing in a campaign is classified, by definition. AngryAmish Jun 2017 #41

Flynn had security clearance DefenseLawyer Jun 2017 #45

I would be careful underestimating the stupidity of the Trump administration mythology Jun 2017 #44

Sure. I hope they were that stupid. Voltaire2 Jun 2017 #46

"Treasonous" is the adjective form of "Treason." They are, IOW, the same. WinkyDink Jun 2017 #21

quid pro quo isn't necessary for espionage unblock Jun 2017 #11

No I agree. But the quid pro quo signifies an exchange DefenseLawyer Jun 2017 #13

i'm not sure why he isn't guilty with obvious public information unblock Jun 2017 #15

Hillary's private server doesn't really count. Voltaire2 Jun 2017 #32

Thanks -- can hacking a non-government computer constitute espionage? unblock Jun 2017 #38

QUID: Trump's loans get forgiven, and he's allowed to live. QUO: Putin/Russian bankers get their WinkyDink Jun 2017 #24

It may be a crime so incredible no one ever thought to make it illegal. rzemanfl Jun 2017 #8

computer espionage/conspiracy to commit; computer tresspassing/conspiracy to commit unblock Jun 2017 #10

Depends on what the collusion was about. If it was about influencing the election, The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2017 #14

There are so many...Where does one even begin? Here are a few MedusaX Jun 2017 #16

Thanks for this. Bookmarking. Mr. Ected Jun 2017 #17

Collussion is a crime Gothmog Jun 2017 #18

Fox News host wrong that no law forbids Russia-Trump collusion Gothmog Jun 2017 #19

Hello? TREASON. Throwing a Presidential election is TREASON. Then there's.... WinkyDink Jun 2017 #20

No, it isn't Spider Jerusalem Jun 2017 #22

"giving them aid and comfort." ... wouldn't collusion fall into that category? YCHDT Jun 2017 #23

So I didn't add the WELL-KNOWN PART about "with the aid of Russia, in order to install Russian WinkyDink Jun 2017 #26

We're not at war with Russia. Spider Jerusalem Jun 2017 #30

And yet you waited until Post #20 to write this, when Post #1............ WinkyDink Jun 2017 #27

Not that there's anything wrong with that! struggle4progress Jun 2017 #33

Conspiracy to commit illegal cyber access CanonRay Jun 2017 #40

Collusion with any foreign country, friend or foe by a citizen is treason. nt Blue_true Jun 2017 #42

It's in the US Code of Law kentuck Jun 2017 #48