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politicat

(9,808 posts)
33. Yeah, it would be nice if that was true, but...
Sun Aug 13, 2017, 12:32 AM
Aug 2017

I have to agree to disagree. It's like a bike helmet. 90% of the reason I wear one is not because I think I'm going to skid out, it's because there's a good chance someone in a car is going to hit me, and mass plus acceleration equals brain pulp. It's protecting myself, not being aggressive against someone. Or again, we're back to abusive relationship: sheltering behind a textbook (have done it) or on the far side of a door (also) is technically allowing a violent person to smash their hands into a heavy, solid object, but it's their choice to throw the punch.

A shield is not a weapon. A shield is the very opposite of a weapon. They're purely defensive. The other person always has the option of Not Doing The Hitting. A shield does not stop a person from hitting. It doesn't subvert their agency. It just prevents them from doing as much damage as they want to do. (Holding a shield still hurts.) I have a right to not take whatever damage someone wants to deal out. But if you're going to say shields aren't okay in your perfect expression of demonstration, then are you also going to say kidney protection, knee pads, elbow pads and throat protection are out? Because Bloc uses those, too -- usually repurposed from skating. Bloc doesn't start the violence, but they're the ones taking the pain, and most don't have really good insurance that will cover failing kidneys or broken hyoid bones from a beatdown or a strangling. And those do happen. They happened today. Or what about goggles? Or respirators? Those are also defenses.

It would be nice if Nazis were rational creatures. They're not. I really, really hoped that my generation would be the last generation to have to use anything other than purely demonstrative action. For about 10 years, I thought maybe we'd turned that corner. Apparently not.

The Women's Marches were lucky, and they were non-violent because they were first. Please recall that the Edmond Pettus Bridge (Bloody Sunday) was not the first civil rights march. And Kent State was not the first anti-war march, nor was the Khilafat movement without British violence. Those in authority (or those who want to present themselves as in authority, as with Nazis) will usually let the first events go by, hoping those silly noisies will get it out of their system. When we don't, they get aggressive, because they want to exert control and force their world views on others. I didn't write the authoritarian playbook, but this is how it works. Wish it wasn't, but wishing doesn't make it so.

I'm not counter protesting again [View all] crazycatlady Aug 2017 OP
I'll be at all of them screaming my head off at anyone who threatens civil rights Happyhippychick Aug 2017 #1
I agree with you. Stay safe. nt SylviaD Aug 2017 #2
I always make it a point to shake hands with the antifa / anarchists at protests. Coventina Aug 2017 #3
why would you be scared of an anti fascist group? juxtaposed Aug 2017 #4
I was more scared of the Deplorables crazycatlady Aug 2017 #6
I'm not willing to get arrested in the name of democracy. Sad. juxtaposed Aug 2017 #8
We all have our limits crazycatlady Aug 2017 #13
True, We all have limits. But your OP is so similar to alt-right posts from a few months ago juxtaposed Aug 2017 #16
I've actually been around this forum for awhile crazycatlady Aug 2017 #26
Because they are violent anti-liberal assholes... Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #25
I will continue going especially for that reason. We have to make it known that this hate must stop! BigmanPigman Aug 2017 #5
Before 9/11, I had been toying with the idea of leaving the NY area. Afterwards, my feeling was, Squinch Aug 2017 #7
I go to our rallies, not theirs. lindysalsagal Aug 2017 #9
I'll go to our rallies crazycatlady Aug 2017 #11
I would never trust someone Mme. Defarge Aug 2017 #10
The risk in these confrontations.. speaktruthtopower Aug 2017 #12
Fuck the Antifa WhoIsNumberNone Aug 2017 #14
To be fair, those of us who grew up doing effective bloc are now in our 40s and 50s. politicat Aug 2017 #27
I am 72 yrs old now. I did my share of protesting in the sixties... Jack-o-Lantern Aug 2017 #15
I'm with you, Jack. spiderpig Aug 2017 #20
I can understand that Egnever Aug 2017 #17
I am of the opinion that protests are useless wastes of precious time. Blue_true Aug 2017 #18
Yeah, look at how well we did by winning the vote this last go-around! Coventina Aug 2017 #19
Voting brings about change. Street protests get people hurt. Blue_true Aug 2017 #23
Antifa remind me of Ninjas LeftInTX Aug 2017 #21
Hi, I'm a former antifa bloc'er. Nice to meet you. We're not scary. politicat Aug 2017 #22
Ha! It's possible I've shaken your hand! (see post above) Coventina Aug 2017 #24
Thanks! politicat Aug 2017 #28
Have you hit anyone? Not Ruth Aug 2017 #30
I'm Quaker. I do not hit. I did and do resist. politicat Aug 2017 #31
holding up a plywood shield or a flattened pickle bucket Not Ruth Aug 2017 #32
Yeah, it would be nice if that was true, but... politicat Aug 2017 #33
Do it online, the protesting and the selling Not Ruth Aug 2017 #29
Not srue about protesting online crazycatlady Aug 2017 #34
Selling in Times Square is generally illegal if you are not a vet Not Ruth Aug 2017 #35
I wouldn't do it everyday crazycatlady Aug 2017 #36
There is a great potential to make money Not Ruth Aug 2017 #37
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