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MineralMan

(146,286 posts)
31. Something certainly can work, whatever it is called.
Fri Sep 15, 2017, 01:48 PM
Sep 2017

As soon as we can elect strong majorities in Congress and a Democratic President, a plan for some kind of universal healthcare, probably government administered will emerge and be implemented. Until then, no plan will.

Building support for such a plan is the thing that will put it over the top, once we have a government that will enact it. Most people have no idea how such a plan will affect them and their paychecks. That's something we can begin to address now, simply and understandably.

The "tax" word is poisonous, since a majority of people will see that as meaning less money in their pockets. We also have to make it clear what they WON'T be paying out of their paychecks. They already know that their employer is paying part of the cost of their healthcare insurance. The employer will also be paying part of any new plan.

People in the individual health insurance market know what they're paying for insurance. They'd like to pay less. Show them that they will pay less in the new plan.

Poor people can't afford to pay. Show them that they'll be covered anyhow.

People already on Medicare and Medicaid will worry that they'll have to pay more. Show them that they will not.

And, yes, include vision, dental, and low pharmaceutical costs as well. Tell them about that, which they don't necessarily have now.

We need to sell the concept, whatever actual plan is proposed and adopted. Bernie Sanders' plan is not going to become the actual plan. It can't pass anything and won't be adopted. When something can be passed, a new plan will be designed, not by one Senator, but by Congress, after hearings, meetings, committees and much much more.

Right now, we can work with a Medicare for All concept that is not completely defined. We can sell the concept. The rest will come when it can actually happen, which is not right now.

Not a bad approach. It is significantly different from Sanders' plan which has no coinsurance Hoyt Sep 2017 #1
My real point is that, no matter how the system is configured, MineralMan Sep 2017 #2
I agree. It's got to be simple, show real savings, and make the change palatable/unconcerning. Hoyt Sep 2017 #5
Whatever system is proposed and whenever there is a realistic MineralMan Sep 2017 #7
To move it forward, I think you need to be able to tell the Average Jane about what it Hoyt Sep 2017 #9
Well, if a single-payer concept is what it's supposed to be, MineralMan Sep 2017 #13
I don't buy that reduction in admin cost. Fact is, docs submit the same claim to any payer and Hoyt Sep 2017 #15
Medicare sets the amount they will pay for procedures, etc. MineralMan Sep 2017 #20
Today, most insurers pay a percentage of Medicare's Fee Schedule. Providers don't set the payments Hoyt Sep 2017 #22
Your points are well taken. If only we all will have the patience to work through the political haveahart Sep 2017 #6
Not quite that simple-- who actually analyzes costs/benefits when making decisions? TreasonousBastard Sep 2017 #3
What I wrote has no details at all in it. MineralMan Sep 2017 #4
But it isn't quite that simple Mineral Man leftofcool Sep 2017 #8
Here's the thing. No. MineralMan Sep 2017 #10
No, I am not confused at all leftofcool Sep 2017 #11
If everyone is covered by Medicare or any universal system, MineralMan Sep 2017 #14
I hear you. I do think that if everyone, but a few, had the standard plan -- Doctors Hoyt Sep 2017 #12
Mineral Man, my husband and I have been on Medicare for several years. Grammy23 Sep 2017 #16
Thank you for this post. SharonClark Sep 2017 #17
Yes, I failed to mention that the Part A Medicare is already paid for. Grammy23 Sep 2017 #18
Yes, thanks. That's how most people on Medicare see it. MineralMan Sep 2017 #19
Yes, yes, yes to everything you said. Grammy23 Sep 2017 #30
Ask People on Medicare What They Think of Medicare! MineralMan Sep 2017 #32
Sorry but that IS NOT AT ALL what the proposed plan does. berni_mccoy Sep 2017 #21
I'm not talking about any specific plan. MineralMan Sep 2017 #23
You are talking about selling Medicare for All in the context of Bernie's plan being released berni_mccoy Sep 2017 #24
Thanks for your advice. I choose to ignore it. MineralMan Sep 2017 #26
Again, I am not talking about "Bernie's Plan" at all. MineralMan Sep 2017 #34
The REAL Key to Selling Medicare for All berni_mccoy Sep 2017 #25
One GREAT way to sell this to those who cant be sold, is to relieve employers entirely Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #27
Yes, a simple payroll tax, and an end to paying an insurance company MineralMan Sep 2017 #28
This whole thing can work, I am not a fan of doing it without full party support but that aside Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #29
Something certainly can work, whatever it is called. MineralMan Sep 2017 #31
We are our own worst enemies; same reason trump has the ability to cause Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #33
That's a different issue, but it's the issue we should all be MineralMan Sep 2017 #35
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