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Hillary is soooo right on target with this excerpt! nt. Amimnoch Oct 2017 #1
Yep, it's a good explanation of game theory in action JHan Oct 2017 #8
Great excerpt, thanks. Hillary's got it! George II Oct 2017 #2
I believe Hillary was referring to Susan Sarandon... NurseJackie Oct 2017 #115
Boy How Often Have We Heard That Lately Me. Oct 2017 #3
there are so many good bits in the book. JHan Oct 2017 #6
It Will Never Be Enough For Some Me. Oct 2017 #9
Ain't that the truth?! (Great lyrics you quoted, BTW!) NurseJackie Oct 2017 #112
Wow! sheshe2 Oct 2017 #4
Perfectionism/ dualistic thinking are never positive. ehrnst Oct 2017 #5
++++++++ JHan Oct 2017 #7
K&R betsuni Oct 2017 #10
K & R SunSeeker Oct 2017 #11
One disagreement BainsBane Oct 2017 #12
Some will say you're being harsh but I agree with your assessment. JHan Oct 2017 #15
This. (nt) ehrnst Oct 2017 #20
+1 betsuni Oct 2017 #31
A big thumbs up! justhanginon Oct 2017 #30
Obviously, it is wrong to say that there's NO difference between the two parties Ken Burch Oct 2017 #13
Good Grief Could You Twist Her Words Any More Than You Have JUst Done Me. Oct 2017 #16
Not about her-about the way that phrase"don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good"- Ken Burch Oct 2017 #17
Again with the strawmen and hyperbole ehrnst Oct 2017 #19
NO-and that itself is a strawmen. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #22
No, it's not a strawman. It's a response to a strawman.... ehrnst Oct 2017 #24
It's not as though the only possiblities are being "dualistic" Ken Burch Oct 2017 #26
I think your post just indicated ehrnst Oct 2017 #27
No, not "any compromise"...I'll clarify Ken Burch Oct 2017 #35
Come on Ken... JHan Oct 2017 #46
You're assuming I only care about what I want, that it's about ego with me. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #50
well.. JHan Oct 2017 #51
Petty? ehrnst Oct 2017 #62
Very Informative post ++++++ JHan Oct 2017 #74
I'm well aware that the LGBTQ community were excluded from that act. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #85
Because every decision, every piece of legislation has a numerical metric of over or under 50% ehrnst Oct 2017 #59
You didn't read the post you're replying to? betsuni Oct 2017 #60
We need our victories where we can get them, I suppose. ehrnst Oct 2017 #63
Big big sale, the biggest. At these prices we're practically giving them away! betsuni Oct 2017 #64
I did read it. I wanted to clarify that it's not a comparable situation Ken Burch Oct 2017 #82
Which is why I said that I knew that....in my post. ehrnst Oct 2017 #90
Like I Said Me. Oct 2017 #25
..... (nt) ehrnst Oct 2017 #66
This+1000 sheshe2 Oct 2017 #77
It's helpful to avoid false equivalencies and strawmen... ehrnst Oct 2017 #18
That phrase "don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good" goes back to the Nineties Ken Burch Oct 2017 #21
"Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater" goes back even farther than the '90's ehrnst Oct 2017 #23
+1 betsuni Oct 2017 #28
I know it goes back to Voltaire, but it became a party maxim in the Nineties. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #29
Very well said. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #33
Nonsense, Ken. The same was said about LBJ and FDR in their own times. bettyellen Oct 2017 #53
I think you might be very disappointed to learn about the Civil Rights act of 1964 ehrnst Oct 2017 #65
Woah. +1000 sheshe2 Oct 2017 #34
The politics of the 90's was very different... JHan Oct 2017 #105
It was a different time. But for a lot of us, it's a big thing to want to be sure... Ken Burch Oct 2017 #106
You have to put those challenges in context..it seems you don't want to.. JHan Oct 2017 #107
"Those politics" I dont know whether to laugh or cry Eliot Rosewater Oct 2017 #108
Selective history but this is what is at the heart of the discontent.. JHan Oct 2017 #110
That would be hard. (nt) ehrnst Oct 2017 #109
I'm not talking about Bill here as much as I am about the future. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #111
Well, I do agree Dems could have done much better to sell H/C legislation to the public.. JHan Oct 2017 #113
"Tearing allies down gives ammo to their opponents..." Yes indeed. I'd also add... NurseJackie Oct 2017 #114
Ken. Blue_true Oct 2017 #45
Agreed. Your observation and description are right on target. NurseJackie Oct 2017 #116
For a refreshing change, why not blame Republicans for Republican-majority legislation betsuni Oct 2017 #52
There are few if any situations where Democratic presidents HAVE to sign Republican legislation. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #55
Hillary's strategy was to help senate candidate and gov races.... bettyellen Oct 2017 #56
I'm not attacking Hillary here, or at all. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #57
I never know what you're talking about. betsuni Oct 2017 #61
### NurseJackie Oct 2017 #117
Sorry Ken, your misinterpretation of HRC's point/words seems like a real stretch to me. emulatorloo Oct 2017 #70
I did say I agree fully with what she says in the last line quoted in the OP. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #93
Exactly. brer cat Oct 2017 #14
This fragment: guillaumeb Oct 2017 #32
Compromise is not betrayal JHan Oct 2017 #36
But we also have to frame the debate, as the GOP does so well. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #37
There's very little overlap to the right from Democrats. JHan Oct 2017 #38
One counterarguemnt for your citation is the ACA, or "Obamacare" as it is framed. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #40
Yes, and you're right.. JHan Oct 2017 #41
And the motivation, the root of THAT particular backlash was open racism. eom guillaumeb Oct 2017 #43
Definitely, the racism among tea partiers was so obvious. JHan Oct 2017 #44
yes exactly. It was a a respectable strategy. Now we know it doesn't work. We know there is no JCanete Oct 2017 #48
ok.. so... JHan Oct 2017 #49
One of the problems we face often is our politicians suggesting to us JCanete Oct 2017 #54
ACA is not 'the same' as Heritage. "The Heritage Plan *Was* The Conservative Alternate to the ACA" emulatorloo Oct 2017 #69
Thanks for that correction and the clarification! JHan Oct 2017 #75
The Heritage plan came first. It was embodied in Romneycare. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #84
Did the ACA kill Medicaid or turn Medicare into a voucher system? No emulatorloo Oct 2017 #97
The ACA was built on a Heritage Foundation model. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #98
"Built on" does not mean "teh same" emulatorloo Oct 2017 #101
I never said that they were identical in scope or intent. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #102
Who said the ACA didn't subsidize the insurance industry? emulatorloo Oct 2017 #104
Nobody on the left is actually against fixing K-12. It's just that by itself, that isn't enough. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #86
You believe a lack of college education renders secondary and primary education irrelevant? LanternWaste Oct 2017 #87
A good primary and secondary education is of value. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #91
I never argued that anyone on the left is against fixing k-12..... JHan Oct 2017 #88
I guess what bothers me(and I'm sorry if my response was harsh in tone) Ken Burch Oct 2017 #92
I mentioned the 2015 fed reserve study, it's worth reading...adding to that tho.. JHan Oct 2017 #95
Thank you. I will go to the links and read that. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #96
Q: Where does the book say that? A: It doesn't. emulatorloo Oct 2017 #68
From the original post: guillaumeb Oct 2017 #83
Your "spin" has little to do with the quote. emulatorloo Oct 2017 #99
aAnd your attempt at framing my response is noted. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #100
Of course the quote is accurate. Your "spin" is a logical leap you've made that is not emulatorloo Oct 2017 #103
I think HRC might have a unique perspective on the matter. lapucelle Oct 2017 #39
the flawed thing was nonsense.. JHan Oct 2017 #42
It should be acknowledged though, that there is a distinction between compromising JCanete Oct 2017 #47
American Prospect: "No, Obamacare Wasn't a "Republican" Proposal" emulatorloo Oct 2017 #67
Interesting, thanks. That is absolutely a distinction. I'd assumed it was worse than Obamacare, but JCanete Oct 2017 #71
Thank you for educating people here on the ACA vs Heritage Foundation Plan. ehrnst Oct 2017 #73
Yep, even I forgot . There's enough misinformation about the ACA out there already JHan Oct 2017 #76
Well, perhaps your definition of "compromise" is the real issue. ehrnst Oct 2017 #72
I certainly don't always know. Sometimes I'm wrong. I'm not interested in going to the grave being JCanete Oct 2017 #78
Again with the strawmen... ehrnst Oct 2017 #79
I wasn't saying you were actually saying anybody was advocating for a coup. I was saying JCanete Oct 2017 #80
I appreciate your candor. ehrnst Oct 2017 #81
Yep..data driven policy , based on evidence. JHan Oct 2017 #94
K&R Jamaal510 Oct 2017 #58
K&R Gothmog Oct 2017 #89
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