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46. NYT, on liberal and conservative scholars

Fri Mar 13, 2015, 11:33 AM

Mar 2015

"Official punishment for speech could be legal if the students’ chant constituted a direct threat, leading a reasonable person to fear for his or her safety, or if it seemed likely to provoke an immediate violent response, according to Mr. Chemerinsky and several other legal scholars, liberal and conservative alike.

But in this case, these experts said, there is no evidence of any direct threat or provocation, and as a publicly financed institution, the university is subject to constitutional boundaries."

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/12/us/expulsion-of-two-oklahoma-students-leads-to-free-speech-debate.html

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OU SAE to sue university, possibly President Boren [View all] Spider_Mann Mar 2015 OP

By all means..... Tripper11 Mar 2015 #1

Another SAE fraternity chapter accused of racist comments -- this time in Seattle jtuck004 Mar 2015 #2

It's a Southern Fraternity CreekDog Mar 2015 #26

Full of racists from Washington State. The origin might be South, but the point of view jtuck004 Mar 2015 #60

If they had "sincere" regret..... daleanime Mar 2015 #3

go for it putz irisblue Mar 2015 #4

Just go away before you make an even BIGGER fool of your self 7962 Mar 2015 #5

I rate that about as smart as Pharrell Williams and Robin Thicke suing the Gaye Family... LynneSin Mar 2015 #6

What sort of deal would you propose be worked out? jberryhill Mar 2015 #30

For the song or for the university? LynneSin Mar 2015 #59

The two students have been expelled jberryhill Mar 2015 #63

surely that can't be true - what is the college all the racist politician visit? hollysmom Mar 2015 #73

Granted, the point however being... jberryhill Mar 2015 #75

Where's the popcorn. CincyDem Mar 2015 #7

Only if there is a missing plane involved. Chipper Chat Mar 2015 #22

Especially after they Dan Mar 2015 #74

Oh, please. blackspade Mar 2015 #8

Poor little rich bigots don't like being told they are bigots AllyCat Mar 2015 #9

Plus I'd bet that the university has a legal right to do what it did groundloop Mar 2015 #11

What is the relevant rule Spider_Mann Mar 2015 #15

The University of Oklahoma Student Rights and Responsibilities Code 2014-2015 steve2470 Mar 2015 #21

Also, since the national frat dropped the local frat Maeve Mar 2015 #27

good point nt steve2470 Mar 2015 #28

^^^ BINGO ^^^ groundloop Mar 2015 #39

That's where things get complicated Spider_Mann Mar 2015 #40

I think a good case can be made that it was pervasive steve2470 Mar 2015 #42

Actually it's moot. Chan790 Mar 2015 #50

It is your first rodeo Spider_Mann Mar 2015 #65

All four times where I was involved where we expelled members and dechartered a chapter... Chan790 Mar 2015 #78

racial discrimination is most certainly against the rules of every public geek tragedy Mar 2015 #29

The fraternities on my campus were shut down over drugs and alcohol AllyCat Mar 2015 #61

Further in the article, Jones says that the two expelled merely "lacked judgment in a social... marble falls Mar 2015 #10

Rape is a crime n/t Spider_Mann Mar 2015 #14

Boren is a good man, smart man madokie Mar 2015 #12

Link to the student newspaper: mahatmakanejeeves Mar 2015 #13

Daddys' Money, incoming. Paladin Mar 2015 #16

Anyone know what legal chances they have? FLPanhandle Mar 2015 #17

Washington Post, March 11, 2015 Spider_Mann Mar 2015 #19

Did you lose your log in information in another small fire, per chance? nt Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2015 #23

The WaPo article didn't please you much Spider_Mann Mar 2015 #44

I would suggest putting your DU password in one of these next time. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2015 #51

I suggest you stop disliking legal experts Spider_Mann Mar 2015 #66

There can be experts on both sides. mahatmakanejeeves Mar 2015 #68

So you're telling me it was something like this. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2015 #70

Optimistic, to say the least... Blue_Tires Mar 2015 #24

Has any legal expert argue that the 23 year difference will be a factor? Spider_Mann Mar 2015 #41

I'm sorry; do you work at a state university? Blue_Tires Mar 2015 #62

The Sigma Chi precedent won't apply. The circumstances are not the same. Chan790 Mar 2015 #55

Good Idea! Expose all the other SAE branches that sing the same song like @ the U of Texas Botany Mar 2015 #18

They may be on sound legal grounds but.... steve2470 Mar 2015 #20

the frat has zero legal recourse. their charter was canceled by the national geek tragedy Mar 2015 #31

yea I forgot about the national frat cancellation steve2470 Mar 2015 #34

They can't even do most of those things. Chan790 Mar 2015 #58

Figures one of the low-count acounts would rush to post this story... Blue_Tires Mar 2015 #25

Would any long-post person post this story even in a non-rushed way? Spider_Mann Mar 2015 #43

The answer is obviously "Yes," since it's already been posted. Jackpine Radical Mar 2015 #56

So there goes the only-newbies-rush-it argument Spider_Mann Mar 2015 #67

I had nothing to do with that argument. Jackpine Radical Mar 2015 #69

I'm just noticing certain patterns, that's all... Blue_Tires Mar 2015 #64

+1000 heaven05 Mar 2015 #48

Well WTF! SoapBox Mar 2015 #32

Suing because we are not ashamed to admit we are Racist Pigs One_Life_To_Give Mar 2015 #33

"Healing", suing... Same thing apparently. tridim Mar 2015 #35

I guess the kids rich parents will gladly pay the bill to exonerate their racist kids. olegramps Mar 2015 #36

Someone taught those boys that song. A lawsuits going to expose them riderinthestorm Mar 2015 #37

Of course, they are....they have every right to be racist jerks adigal Mar 2015 #38

"sincerely", isn't that precious heaven05 Mar 2015 #45

+1000000000000 nt steve2470 Mar 2015 #52

They seem sincerely sorry... Dr. Strange Mar 2015 #54

Nice signature line, buddy. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2015 #71

Alerting! Dr. Strange Mar 2015 #72

NYT, on liberal and conservative scholars Spider_Mann Mar 2015 #46

Irrelevant lancer78 Mar 2015 #77

Mary Fallin bpj62 Mar 2015 #47

There will be no lawsuit as they have no legal claim. nt geek tragedy Mar 2015 #81

Welcome to DU. mahatmakanejeeves Mar 2015 #49

I just looked to see if the University of Iowa still had their SAE open. Found and article saying jwirr Mar 2015 #53

For those of you who can't recall who Stephen Jones is: mahatmakanejeeves Mar 2015 #57

Of course they will sue, oldandhappy Mar 2015 #76

UPDATE--no lawsuit planned Maeve Mar 2015 #79

They would be wise to crawl under a rock for a few years instead. Vinca Mar 2015 #80

You'd think they'd want to just keep their heads down and not call attention to themselves tblue37 Mar 2015 #82