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darkangel218

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97. It looks more and more like a terror attack.

Thu Mar 26, 2015, 02:15 AM

Mar 2015

An expert on CNN just explained that it takes "a positive action" from inside of the cockpit to prevent someone (who has punched in the correct code) from getting in.
Basically, the pilot who remained in the cockpit had to literally FLIP a switch in order to deny access.

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One Pilot Was Locked Out of Cockpit Before Crash in France [View all] Mira Mar 2015 OP

Human error, possibly involving an incapacitated or dead pilot? johnfunk Mar 2015 #1

Only time will tell. It's very strange though, isn't it? nt Mira Mar 2015 #3

Sounds like a possibility. herding cats Mar 2015 #6

They don't because of hijackings - 9/11 dbackjon Mar 2015 #8

I know that's why the doors are locked. herding cats Mar 2015 #11

There are ways to deal with it, but no requirement that the airlines do so. Xithras Mar 2015 #15

Yes, something like that would be perfect. herding cats Mar 2015 #19

Mandated or permitted goldent Mar 2015 #32

I don't think so. This is the default system on all Southwest aircraft. Angleae Mar 2015 #56

Mahalo for your post, Xithras.. I hope they're able to tell from what's left exactly what happened Cha Mar 2015 #101

But the next disaster will involve a bad guy who forces a crew member to unlock the door groundloop Mar 2015 #16

The reality is this is a bad protocol. herding cats Mar 2015 #23

According to the experts on CNN that protocol azmom Mar 2015 #21

That's an accepted protocol on some air platforms--a FA stepping in if a pilot steps out. nt MADem Mar 2015 #77

This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Mar 2015 #13

Didn't Computer Codes Show Cockpit Doors Were Never Breached During 911??? billhicks76 Mar 2015 #40

I never heard that ever hollysmom Mar 2015 #42

It Was A CNN Report billhicks76 Mar 2015 #123

No, that was "Pilots for 9/11 Truth" horseshit William Seger Mar 2015 #125

Worth A Read billhicks76 Apr 2015 #128

Scary, ain't it? Mira Mar 2015 #48

Well, to be fair....you were wrong. zappaman Mar 2015 #67

Well Mira Mar 2015 #74

No. zappaman Mar 2015 #85

:facepalm: jeff47 Mar 2015 #60

C-Span billhicks76 Mar 2015 #124

Just because it was on C-Span doesn't make it true. (nt) jeff47 Mar 2015 #127

Um, no. Angleae Mar 2015 #62

That sounds like absolute woo to me. Sounds like you've been shopped a real bill of goods. nt MADem Mar 2015 #78

Yeah ... and the phone calls from crew and passengers cosmicone Mar 2015 #84

They made them lockable after hijackings happened Mira Mar 2015 #14

Yes, this was after 9/11 that it was required the doors bolted after the cabin doors were closed. herding cats Mar 2015 #17

They were always lockable. The doors were reinforced and a strict lock policy was set. Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2015 #66

there is keypad entry from the outside that any crew member can use magical thyme Mar 2015 #114

It's so very sad. herding cats Mar 2015 #117

If the pilot was merely incapacitated, why did he program the plane for descent? mainer Mar 2015 #30

Well, that pretty dramatically narrows the possibilities. Xithras Mar 2015 #2

or three - an accident - like a blown out window maybe a bird crash. a very big bird like ostrich hollysmom Mar 2015 #44

Maybe a goose or comarant TexasProgresive Mar 2015 #49

I was kind of kidding, I thought perhaps a flaw in the plane could cause an air leak. hollysmom Mar 2015 #61

If there was such an air leak, the other pilot banging on the door would be unconscious. Angleae Mar 2015 #95

Swallows carrying a coconut jberryhill Mar 2015 #79

European or African? EX500rider Mar 2015 #86

laden or unladen? nt grasswire Mar 2015 #90

ah coconuts migrating - ah yes, I remember so well. hollysmom Mar 2015 #99

Not at 28,000 feet. Birds don't fly that high. jeff47 Mar 2015 #58

Right for the noise maybe wrong for the bird strike at 28000 MyNameGoesHere Mar 2015 #64

Question jberryhill Mar 2015 #88

When I was in the Navy we had a Intruder get hit MyNameGoesHere Mar 2015 #106

Mad? jberryhill Mar 2015 #111

Well it wan't a "magic moment" MyNameGoesHere Mar 2015 #113

Or a hijack - person waits for pilot to leave, knocks for entry, they let hijacker in thinking Yo_Mama Mar 2015 #47

Pilot probably would have said something jeff47 Mar 2015 #57

Yes, you're right about that. Yo_Mama Mar 2015 #65

Not a medical emergency. Yo_Mama Mar 2015 #63

pilot suicide ...nt quadrature Mar 2015 #4

And a potential act of terror. RandySF Mar 2015 #5

Or a pilot stroke. Or heart attack. Or aneurysm. Or seizure. Xithras Mar 2015 #7

And with the pilot's body likely in a million pieces, determining that will be very, very difficult dbackjon Mar 2015 #10

Door Locked billhicks76 Mar 2015 #41

The doors have emergency override codes. The door must have been deliberately locked from the inside Yo_Mama Mar 2015 #52

Exactly--they'll do a brutally intrusive forensic examination of their lives, just to MADem Mar 2015 #80

Or sadly, given the times we live in, recent religious conversion. bklyncowgirl Mar 2015 #103

"Hey, you did lock the door behind you when you first left, right?" n/t jtuck004 Mar 2015 #9

Whoa! Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2015 #12

I don't like the sound of this one bit. TheCowsCameHome Mar 2015 #18

Makes me very nervous Mira Mar 2015 #20

The pilot or copilot had to take a leak Warpy Mar 2015 #27

That doesn't explain the 2000 feet per minute controlled descent. Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2015 #75

Yeah, that's really weird Warpy Mar 2015 #81

K&R n/t Dalai_1 Mar 2015 #22

Wonder if any passengers made calls once they heard the pilot banging on the Gin Mar 2015 #24

Probably not. Xithras Mar 2015 #33

It's a pretty remote area. I doubt there is coverage there. bigworld Mar 2015 #54

Shades of EgyptAir 990 DemoTex Mar 2015 #25

I thought about that, too Warpy Mar 2015 #82

sounds like a suicide to me n/t :-( secondwind Mar 2015 #26

It doesn't necessarily indicate evil intent jmowreader Mar 2015 #28

I've been flying every week for the last 15 months... Roland99 Mar 2015 #29

Congrats! C Moon Mar 2015 #34

It sounds like suicide, not medical incapacitation mainer Mar 2015 #31

Exactly right. Sounds like suicide. Still In Wisconsin Mar 2015 #36

There's no way to know. Xithras Mar 2015 #38

Maybe, but one of the "experts" on tv who was a pilot of an Airbus said that plane napi21 Mar 2015 #39

Except that in avoiding a mountain the last thing you want to do is descend. Angleae Mar 2015 #96

with 150 other poor souls along for the ride? TheCowsCameHome Mar 2015 #46

Agreed FiveGoodMen Mar 2015 #73

That is unfortunately my thought. They will be investigating the background of the pilots still_one Mar 2015 #59

Was he planning on the other pilot leaving? jberryhill Mar 2015 #112

Sounds more like murder. It isn't suicide when you intentionally kill 150 people. cbdo2007 Mar 2015 #121

Was it a controlled descent? Android3.14 Mar 2015 #35

Yes, apparently it was. Some have speculated that it was on autopilot, but Yo_Mama Mar 2015 #53

Weird. It will be interesting to see what they figure out. uppityperson Mar 2015 #37

This happened to a Delta flight a few months ago when the door became jammed davidn3600 Mar 2015 #43

Yes, but there is always someone in the cockpit, so someone would have been flying the plane. Yo_Mama Mar 2015 #55

Another one where a third person in the cockpit Downwinder Mar 2015 #45

Egyptian airline a few years ago... silverweb Mar 2015 #50

Here's a list of the stated Yo_Mama Mar 2015 #69

DemoTex mentioned it early on. silverweb Mar 2015 #91

Well we know now that it was the copilot and it was deliberate Yo_Mama Mar 2015 #110

Agreed. silverweb Mar 2015 #122

Has the name of the pilot that remained in the cockpit been released yet.? Purveyor Mar 2015 #51

They don't seem to have said which one it was. Yo_Mama Mar 2015 #70

Oh man... how awful is that?! calimary Mar 2015 #68

Starting to look bad. TwilightGardener Mar 2015 #71

Le Monde is running the same story brooklynite Mar 2015 #72

This is very odd. In the US, there is a rule The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2015 #76

Pilot remaining in cockpit goes on oxygen during the time other pilot is away, too? Ready4Change Mar 2015 #87

That's true also. The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2015 #89

I've never seen a FA go into the cockpit on a plane like an A320 KeepItReal Mar 2015 #92

I have, many times. The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2015 #94

Per this morning's news, Lufthansa didn't have a policy The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2015 #115

There isn't such a rule in Europe Spider Jerusalem Mar 2015 #116

So much for "mechanical failure". nt darkangel218 Mar 2015 #83

It's not out of the question that the co-pilot fell asleep Algernon Moncrieff Mar 2015 #93

It looks more and more like a terror attack. darkangel218 Mar 2015 #97

Or suicide davidn3600 Mar 2015 #98

Psychological problems=Suicide Recent religious conversion or extremist political beliefs=Terrorism bklyncowgirl Mar 2015 #109

Mahalo for this, Mira.. so very sad for the victims and their loved ones. Cha Mar 2015 #100

No mention of passengers or flight attendents voices in this partial riversedge Mar 2015 #102

WHOW--just heard that Screams were heard and crash was deliberate...... riversedge Mar 2015 #107

Airbus seems to use the keypad and 30 second override system described above muriel_volestrangler Mar 2015 #104

It struck me how quick the authorities were to downplay the possibility of terrorism or criminality bklyncowgirl Mar 2015 #105

Suicide and mass murder. Quantess Mar 2015 #108

Germanwings plane crash: Co-pilot 'wanted to destroy plane' Baclava Mar 2015 #118

The last sentence made me shiver. Beacool Mar 2015 #120

This is a direct result of the War On Terra. KamaAina Mar 2015 #119

What if the Pilot had gone to the bathroom in Barcelona? ellenrr Mar 2015 #126