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88. The link says it was signed in... 2005! More mess for a Democrat to clean up.

Thu Apr 16, 2015, 10:42 PM

Apr 2015

Looks like Obama has been trying to fine tune the thing. But it was a done deal before he got into office. Like NAFTA was for Clinton. It's a treaty, we don't abrogate them. It's his thankless job to enforce them.

I've always had some Isolationist tendencies and from what you posted on American history, I feel ignorant. Simplicity is something we crave, but it's just a place to let the mind rest, and we aren't gonna get it.

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Total bullshit... truebrit71 Apr 2015 #1

Just be quiet, and soon your problems will be over. n/t jtuck004 Apr 2015 #2

"...one of the toughest legislative battles of his last 19 months in office." KansDem Apr 2015 #3

This will be the end of us ... Fantastic Anarchist Apr 2015 #87

Fuck!!!! TDale313 Apr 2015 #4

Can't wait to see who voted for it. djean111 Apr 2015 #5

+1 subterranean Apr 2015 #27

+1 daleanime Apr 2015 #38

Reced for exposure. n/t PoliticAverse Apr 2015 #6

Read the article: The fight goes on! LongTomH Apr 2015 #7

The good news is it will be made public before voting: MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #8

Only the TuufFarry can stop it now. DeSwiss Apr 2015 #10

But why would the tyrant Obama allow you or anyone any time to "stop it"? JoePhilly Apr 2015 #18

LOL! nt MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #20

yup - it's pathetic Skittles Apr 2015 #97

Well, all those saying it wouldn't be available, are WRONG AGAIN. Maybe they are wrong about more. Hoyt Apr 2015 #28

Amazing, isn't it? ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #36

well, druidity33 Apr 2015 #84

Nope. The 4 years applied to negotiating documents where country's whined about Hoyt Apr 2015 #86

Glad about that. My guess is that it is people like DU and the Unions who have been paying jwirr Apr 2015 #30

How can anyone admire or respect SamKnause Apr 2015 #9

All excellent questions donnasgirl Apr 2015 #11

Thanks. Great link. Alan Grayson is so right. JDPriestly Apr 2015 #29

You are most welcome !!! SamKnause Apr 2015 #33

Trojan Horse President lark Apr 2015 #44

Democratic presidents always SamKnause Apr 2015 #48

... Enthusiast Apr 2015 #52

Were Are The Obama Apologists? billhicks76 Apr 2015 #99

did you miss the latest apologist meme, SamKnause Skittles Apr 2015 #98

And the nuts and bolts of it is that we get screwed. Hoppy Apr 2015 #12

*Surprise!* Fearless Apr 2015 #13

As of now only 15 "Democrats" in the house support it and they'll need more like 35. pa28 Apr 2015 #14

That's right because some Tea Party congresspeople also oppose it. totodeinhere Apr 2015 #22

There are so many Democrats owned by INdemo Apr 2015 #103

That GIANT GIANT sucking sound.......... dixiegrrrrl Apr 2015 #15

Hail to that great republican - Ross Perot! pampango Apr 2015 #43

Yeah. That's why we all think NAFTA was so great just because you told us it is. Enthusiast Apr 2015 #55

Indeed he is 'renegotiating NAFTA'. 75% of TPP trade is with Canada and Mexico. pampango Apr 2015 #60

He will make it worse. Enthusiast Apr 2015 #63

No, jobs were lost almost immediately and continued. former9thward Apr 2015 #61

American wages and household incomes rose after NAFTA as did manufacturing employment until 2000. pampango Apr 2015 #65

You claimed manufacturing jobs rose in the 90s. former9thward Apr 2015 #68

I claimed they rose after NAFTA. They did. You're right they declined in the early 1990's pre-NAFTA. pampango Apr 2015 #71

They fell in the 90s since 1994. former9thward Apr 2015 #73

No, they fell in the 1990's before 1994 then rose. That's what the graph shows. pampango Apr 2015 #76

I'm still waiting for my high paying NAFTA job!!! bvar22 Apr 2015 #62

If German workers "can compete with any worker in the world" I suspect Americans can too. pampango Apr 2015 #70

ARe you REALLY going to insist that good American jobs did NOT migrate to Mexico... bvar22 Apr 2015 #72

"And we have always been at war with EastAsia." We have? Always? pampango Apr 2015 #74

Dodge of question noted. bvar22 Apr 2015 #75

I found your statement that "And we have always been at war with EastAsia" more interesting pampango Apr 2015 #80

Note to pampango: bvar22 Apr 2015 #120

One major difference is that Germany has a VAT tax, Snarkoleptic Apr 2015 #102

Exactly! ctsnowman Apr 2015 #100

What, oh what will this country look like in 10-20 years from now? Unbelievable. appalachiablue Apr 2015 #66

Just called my 2 Senators and Representative. Whitehouse line is busy, surprise surprise. Dont call me Shirley Apr 2015 #16

Yay, Oligarchs! Octafish Apr 2015 #17

They will not even let it see the light of day before passing. Scalded Nun Apr 2015 #19

Any voting you do will be after the deal is done. zeemike Apr 2015 #26

Can we get Iran to join in the Treaty, then Congress will pay attention and try to stop it. n/t A Simple Game Apr 2015 #21

And as it went for NAFTA... CANDO Apr 2015 #23

I doubt Obama will attempt to avoid 'blame'. Unlike NAFTA, all the negotiations for the TPP were pampango Apr 2015 #35

TPP negotiations began in 2005 under George W. Bush's Administration. stillwaiting Apr 2015 #41

"The original agreement was concluded by Brunei, Chile, New Zealand and Singapore on 3 June 2005." pampango Apr 2015 #46

Well, to be fair. EIGHT countries had agreed to enter into these negotiations prior to... stillwaiting Apr 2015 #56

The substantive negotiations have all been done during the Obama administration. No one would argue pampango Apr 2015 #77

I'm not sure that the left will view that as a positive in the future. stillwaiting Apr 2015 #81

Perhaps not. Clinton could say NAFTA was signed (December 1992) before he came into pampango Apr 2015 #82

Revisionist History Noted. bvar22 Apr 2015 #112

The link says it was signed in... 2005! More mess for a Democrat to clean up. freshwest Apr 2015 #88

Done deal? That shit hasn't passed Congress, nothing binding in or on our law. TheKentuckian Apr 2015 #93

Correct, but the President will be way out of matters by then, like Clinton, other POTUS. appalachiablue Apr 2015 #54

call, email, fax, write congress... yurbud Apr 2015 #24

Let have Hillary Clinton weigh in on this. totodeinhere Apr 2015 #25

I doubt you will ever pin her down on that one. zeemike Apr 2015 #32

"As far as TPP goes, Mrs. Clinton is strongly in favor of gay marriage rights" Doctor_J Apr 2015 #85

Yep. You nailed it! GoneFishin Apr 2015 #89

This post, in a few words, nails the whole game dreamnightwind Apr 2015 #94

Excellent! ctsnowman Apr 2015 #101

Oh, that's good. +1 BeanMusical Apr 2015 #114

Notice to the swooners: This is why real democrats like me use the term 'Obummer.' PSPS Apr 2015 #31

http://www.thecommentator.com/system/articles/inner_pictures/000/005/415/original/obama-laughing.jpg blkmusclmachine Apr 2015 #34

They are desperate to get this done.... daleanime Apr 2015 #37

I guess that means American democracy will be officially dead and buried in 24 hours Jack Rabbit Apr 2015 #39

American democracy sulphurdunn Apr 2015 #57

This treachery cannot be forgiven. gregcrawford Apr 2015 #40

Oh, but it MUST be! Doctor_J Apr 2015 #104

Obama and the majority of congress totally f#ed us on this lark Apr 2015 #42

The Corporate States of America (2001 - ) Martak Sarno Apr 2015 #45

Oh hell,,,, the Sky is FAlling! Cryptoad Apr 2015 #47

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! OnyxCollie Apr 2015 #49

Joke's on us. Just like it always is! pa28 Apr 2015 #58

Great... The Democrats Always Seem To Find A Way To Shoot Themselves In The Foot... WillyT Apr 2015 #50

I hope you all are retired or rich. WillTwain Apr 2015 #51

Too bad it's not just a nightmare chapdrum Apr 2015 #53

Of course the PTB would prefer a GOP legislature. Enthusiast Apr 2015 #59

Why should they prefer the GOP? FiveGoodMen Apr 2015 #69

You're right about the gay thing, of course. Enthusiast Apr 2015 #78

+1 BeanMusical Apr 2015 #115

I trust that President Obama will veto this. Elmer S. E. Dump Apr 2015 #64

But Republicans are the bad guys, our.. sendero Apr 2015 #67

Let's all call Pete DeFazio's office and ask him to primary Wyden today! cascadiance Apr 2015 #79

Great idea if you live in Oregon dreamnightwind Apr 2015 #96

Let's add it to The List Doctor_J Apr 2015 #83

Fucked again by the corporate class. blackspade Apr 2015 #90

We should be known as the United Federation of Multinational Corporations Triana Apr 2015 #91

....... BlancheSplanchnik Apr 2015 #107

Global economic integration will continue with or without this deal... BrentWil Apr 2015 #92

K & F'n R dreamnightwind Apr 2015 #95

And Hillary secretly giggles with delight, Brewinblue Apr 2015 #105

Yup, if he gets it through she is off the hook. nt TBF Apr 2015 #106

She sure does. BeanMusical Apr 2015 #116

This is outragous turbinetree Apr 2015 #108

Big business and corporate lobbyists ronnie624 Apr 2015 #109

I think many are over-reacting to this. DCBob Apr 2015 #110

It seems illogical to assume ronnie624 Apr 2015 #113

Of course China should have "influence" in the region but they are going way beyond that. DCBob Apr 2015 #121

Actually, ronnie624 Apr 2015 #122

For sure oil is main reason China has expanded it's claims thousands of miles off its shore. DCBob Apr 2015 #123

Goodbye America. It was good to know you. 99th_Monkey Apr 2015 #111

But, but, the TPP will be all champagne and strawberries for American workers, right? BeanMusical Apr 2015 #117

Does American labor count at all? DrKZ Apr 2015 #118

Does American labor count at all? DrKZ Apr 2015 #119