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happyslug

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34. And why Wolves became the most important carnivore...
Fri Aug 14, 2015, 10:48 AM
Aug 2015

Dogs are omnivores, they can survive eating vegetable matter. Cats MUST have meat, cats can NOT digest vegetable matter. Except for the American Gray Fox and the Black Bear (Which includes its Asiatic Cousin as while as the American Black Bear), the Canines have a limited ability to climb trees. Thus until the emergence of grasses, Cats had a distinct advantage over Canines.

Grasslands consist of about 20% of the World Surface. Grasses first appear about 55 to 60- million years ago in South America and Africa (The two continent separated slowly, so that 40 million years ago the New World Monkeys migrated from Africa to South America by raft).

http://www.plantphysiol.org/content/125/3/1198.full

More on New World Monkeys:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_World_monkey#Origin

While Grasses developed 55 -60 million years ago, the grasses were more like Bamboo and other "wet grasses". What we would call grass, something that could tolerate dry periods, did not evolve till about 12 million years ago and did not became dominate till about 5 to 6 million year ago.

Grass and its evolution is important to understand the history of Canines and Cats. Cats are ambush hunters, Even the Cheetah, which is the fastest carnivore, relies on ambush till it does its spurt of speed. The Black Bear is clearly a Forest Bear, the Grizzly and its close ancestor the Asiatic Brown Bear is clearly a ground bear (The Grizzly is believed to have been Eurasia Brown Bears which migrated to North America about 50,000 years ago). The brown bears, Grizzly bears, along with the Polar Bears are all poor tree climbers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurasian_brown_bear

I bring up the Brown Bear, which only appears about 500,000 years ago, as an example of an canine that evolve around grasslands. Yes, it is seen in forests, but even before White Man settled in North America, the Grizzly had retreated from Eastern US, as the Grasslands retreated and were replaced by Forests, starting about 4000 to 8000 years ago (2000 BC to 6000 years BC).

A Prairie is land that is 90% Grass. The Great Plains of North America, the Pampas of Argentina and the Steppes of Russia are "Prairie". African, south of the Sahara, is mostly Savanna, which is 10-50% Forest, but also at least 50% Grasslands. Savanna is evidence of greater rainfall. Mixed Forest is any area with more then 50% Trees, and true Forests are 90% and higher trees (The largest single temperate Forest was the North American Forest just before the white man settled North America). This has not always the case, the American Tall Grass Prairie expanded eastward till it almost reached the Ohio-Pennsylvania line around 4000 to 8000 years ago, then retreated to Illinois and further west.

http://library.eri.nau.edu/gsdl/collect/erilibra/archives/HASH01c3/6a873096.dir/doc.pdf

I bring up the Prairie for it is an area where cats are few. Unlike Savanna, the places for an ambush is reduced. Thus a carnivore to survive has to evolve a method of attack that does not count on ambush. Cats, being individualists, could not do this. Canines, once they developed the pack, could hunt on the prairies.

Side note: African Lions do hunt as a "Pride" but that is an exception to the general rule of cats hunting as individuals. Even then the lionesses, who do most of the hunting for the pride, do NOT attack as a team but as individuals attacking at the same time. Once one of the lionesses get hold of an animal, the other lionesses will join in but that is the limit of their cooperation. Wolves are know to attack as a team. One video show two wolves chasing a head of Caribou for a couple of miles, then being relived by two other wolves that had been laying in wait, this drive last a few more miles, then a fifth wolf charges from another position, grabs one of the Caribou, which is tired from all of the running. That last wolf holds onto the caribou till the other four wolves catches up and help the last wold take down the caribou. That is team work, something you do NOT see in cats.

It is believed that the modern Wolf evolved in either the Prairie or the Tundra (cold grasslands, no trees). The further north any of the big cats go is Siberia, with the Siberian Tiger (and wolfs area goes further north) and Cougars, which also do not go into the Tundra.

A good look at this is the Coyote and the old Prairie Wolf. The larger Prairie wolf would follow the prairie bison herds and dominate the area around that head. The smaller Coyotes would avoid the herds (and the wolves that accommodated them) but was the dominate predator of the local smaller animals (the Prairie Dog for example). To be successful in both, one had to be a member of a group, which is characteristic of the Canine (excluding the bears and Foxes).

Thus the raise of the Wolf is related to the evolution of grasses. Grasses lead to Tundra and Prairies, areas with limited options of ambush. With Ambush eliminated, cats lost they long term advantages over canines and thus it is only for the last Five to ten million years or so, that Canines have been the dominate carnivore on this planet (and then NOT in deep forests, or Savannas). Wolves can compete in Savannas but only move into deep forest where no large cats exists (Thus Wolves dominated Eastern US, when the White Man Settled for the largest Cat was the Puma, which the wolves could not drive out, but also not large enough to drive out the Wolf). Wolves tend NOT to go further south then Northern Mexico, for they have to compete with Jaguar, a cat to large for a Wolf to handle.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cougar

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaguar

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gray_wolf

Range of the Jaguar:



Range of the Wolf: Note the Wolf's historical range barely overlap the range of the Jaguar (Northern Mexico is more Savanna then Prairie):



The Lion and the Wolf had a greater overlap, but Europe was always mix woods, an area where ambush can occur but where the team work of the wolf can also be successful. This appears to be true of North Africa, Arabia and the Mid East. Both species survived in the area till taken out by man.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lion

Just a comment, that the cats dominate areas where forests are the rule. Wolves dominate areas where grasses are dominate. In areas with mix types of vegetation (Savanna and Mixed Forests), both survive.

Side comment: The American Gray Fox, the Raccoon dog of Asia and the Black Bears are unlike any other Canine, it that all three are actually BETTER tree climbers then Cats. They are thus the exceptions to the rule that Cats do better then Canines in forests. The Gray Fox and Raccoon Dog are considered very early canines in evolutionary terms, canines that evolved before canines adopted to living in the grasses.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gray_fox

Yup. Cats rule. The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2015 #1
Of course they survived longer. They probably slept through it all. BlueJazz Aug 2015 #3
Evolutionary brilliance. The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2015 #4
If those ancient dogs were like my golden retriever, they'd probably give... BlueJazz Aug 2015 #8
^^This^^ Gormy Cuss Aug 2015 #47
"But researchers found no evidence that dogs have..." < Dog's are smarter than to leave evidence. jtuck004 Aug 2015 #2
And in a need-to-know moment Le Taz Hot Aug 2015 #30
if they had just asked the cats to begin with who is better restorefreedom Aug 2015 #5
cats can climb- to escape, to catch and stash prey, and burrow into the bushes and hide better nt msongs Aug 2015 #6
Not to mention murielm99 Aug 2015 #11
Yes. Cats are better than dogs in every way. Arugula Latte Aug 2015 #7
Now if they could only clean their own litter packman Aug 2015 #9
not only that, there are special faucet fixtures that allow them to get their own water! niyad Aug 2015 #42
This is confusing two different questions. drm604 Aug 2015 #10
Love 'em both. Bigredhunk Aug 2015 #12
+ 1 !!! pink-o Aug 2015 #29
Never heard of a dog with nine lives passiveporcupine Aug 2015 #13
Except that, by the same metrics FarrenH Aug 2015 #19
And why Wolves became the most important carnivore... happyslug Aug 2015 #34
Every thread doesn't need to be serious passiveporcupine Aug 2015 #41
Cat's are selfish - they only care about themselves - that's why they survive Elmer S. E. Dump Aug 2015 #32
They should've asked me. I knew that: freshwest Aug 2015 #14
Outstanding. n/t Judi Lynn Aug 2015 #16
Thanks! n/t freshwest Aug 2015 #17
Hermione Jean Granger !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! trueblue2007 Aug 2015 #52
The world would be so much emptier, lonlier without both kinds of these amazing fur friends. n/t Judi Lynn Aug 2015 #15
Cats are mostly solitary creatures FarrenH Aug 2015 #18
There's less lit on cats. Igel Aug 2015 #26
You're right that they're harder to study FarrenH Aug 2015 #28
Why we don't have guide cats, drug-sniffing cats, cancer-sniffing cats, rescue cats, guard-cats... Elmer S. E. Dump Aug 2015 #33
So, does this mean cats rule and dogs drool? LOL nt raccoon Aug 2015 #20
Of course. Here's the evidence... KansDem Aug 2015 #27
Beat me to it...that's the right answer. libdem4life Aug 2015 #50
Interesting. blackspade Aug 2015 #21
Any cat could have told you that. Vinca Aug 2015 #22
in other news... Javaman Aug 2015 #23
Never trust a man who hates cats. 7962 Aug 2015 #24
I have been doing Protection from Abuse for 25 years, and there is some truth to your statement happyslug Aug 2015 #35
Thank you for that EXCELLENT analysis! 7962 Aug 2015 #36
Children are another group that put up with a lot of abuse, just to be a member of their family. happyslug Aug 2015 #38
women wear red because it's socially acceptable for women to wear red and other colors Liberal_in_LA Aug 2015 #49
Like the time the cat barked when the saber-toothed tiger was going to eat the caveman family. Octafish Aug 2015 #25
No barking cats? Just watch this: Trailrider1951 Aug 2015 #39
My wife just observed that cats know they are smarter than guys. Octafish Aug 2015 #40
Cats having commited genocide 40 times makes them better? Thor_MN Aug 2015 #31
Pure propaganda... Blue_Tires Aug 2015 #37
I showed my boy this article IDemo Aug 2015 #43
Not surprising Snow Leopard Aug 2015 #44
I suppose I am kind of an odd duck. smirkymonkey Aug 2015 #45
That's funny - Says the ... cannabis_flower Aug 2015 #46
Old nieghbor of mine... Xolodno Aug 2015 #48
I think it's just because they're such tough little buggers Warpy Aug 2015 #51
I absolutely love my litte ex-feral cat. I watched him in the woods for 2 years. bamademo Aug 2015 #53
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