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JustAnotherGen

(31,810 posts)
3. It cannot just be Italy's problem
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 04:51 AM
Jun 2016

They are just the landing place. But in this case -- the smuggler is laughing at the pain these people are in. If you engage in this activity - do it from the heart.


"Although he was operating thousands of miles away, his criminal activity was impacting the UK. Medhanie no doubt thought he was beyond the reach of European justice but we were able to support the Italians by tracking him down to Sudan."

Italy's Corriere Della Serra newspaper reported that Mr Medhanie boasted of being in league with local officials in Tripoli, Libya, while also having a network of workers in Italy.
He charged migrants up to €5,000 (£3,900; $5,680) to travel from African countries to northern Europe, the newspaper said (in Italian).


For a rickety broke down boat?

He counted on them dying.

No leader is perfect - but this Renzi last summer: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/23/mediterranean-migrant-crisis-not-italy-but-europe



The history of humanity has been marked by migration flows, but it is fear that allows shallow demagoguery, and sometimes open racism, increasingly to inhabit Europe’s politics – to the extent that it has been the decisive factor in several recent elections.

But we must respond to fear with political courage.

The country I represent, Italy, has saved countless human lives over the past months. I’d like to pay tribute to the women and men, both military and civilian, who even now are displaying solidarity and courage in keeping our fellow human beings alive. Aboard the ships of our navy and coastguard, three babies have been born in the past six months.


My father in law died in January well into his 80's. He was heavily involved in relief efforts to help these newcomers to Europe. And he stood with the migrants last year who threatened to sink their boat (quite a few children on board) unless Italy let them in.

The media describes these people as cruel - they focus on the Northern League. They shroud calls for help and assistance in PIGS stories. So Renzi pointing out the fall of Libya without a plan for the aftermath of that "deposing" (my word) gets ignored.

The best thing going for this guy is that Europe is watching. In Italy you are guilty until proven innocent. But - I think this trial is going to be a referendum on the world - including our (the U.S.) activities that lead to this mass of people fleeing cruel regimes.
And Italian justice is often hellish. One day you're up, next day you're down. MADem Jun 2016 #1
It cannot just be Italy's problem JustAnotherGen Jun 2016 #3
There should be a European response. Bad Dog Jun 2016 #6
Will the lawyers try to obscure that referendum of which you speak? MADem Jun 2016 #11
I'm more concerned about the family of Meredith Kercher than that individual. Bad Dog Jun 2016 #5
She was released because she didn't do it. nt MADem Jun 2016 #8
She was released because the Americans put pressure on the Italians. Bad Dog Jun 2016 #9
Doubtful. The tabloids would have spun a different tale. nt MADem Jun 2016 #12
It's only Americans who think Knox was innocent. Bad Dog Jun 2016 #15
That was the way the Murdoch press spun it--it was nationalism at its worst. MADem Jun 2016 #16
You derailed this thread when you insulted the memory of Meredith Kercher. Bad Dog Jun 2016 #19
False accusations won't bring her back, and they know the man who killed her. Have a nice day. nt MADem Jun 2016 #22
It's one thing letting the murderer go free. Bad Dog Jun 2016 #23
Knox's trial was an anti-American witch hunt. Odin2005 Jun 2016 #26
Rubbish. Bad Dog Jun 2016 #28
An innocent woman should never have been released? Odin2005 Jun 2016 #27
She is guilty. Bad Dog Jun 2016 #29
The ability to flee death and famine is a basic human right. leveymg Jun 2016 #2
Those who profit from the misery of others Bad Dog Jun 2016 #4
It's like Prohibition. The worst rise to the top when a need or a want becomes a crime. leveymg Jun 2016 #7
The problem is. Bad Dog Jun 2016 #10
He may be criminal, but those who pander to the RW and Islomaphobes are worse. leveymg Jun 2016 #13
Lots of people have concerns about immigration. Bad Dog Jun 2016 #14
And lots of these immigrants didn't want to leave their homes and cultures. MADem Jun 2016 #17
Another thing the US and EU have given up on is controlling our RW extremism problems. Now we pander leveymg Jun 2016 #18
I think we came to a similar conclusion of a thread about Saudi Arabia Bad Dog Jun 2016 #20
It's not just the extremists, it's those whose opinions are archaic. Bad Dog Jun 2016 #21
The latest. Bad Dog Jun 2016 #24
Europe migrant crisis: Doubt cast on identity of 'smuggler' extradited to Italy Eugene Jun 2016 #25
Smuggler's victims say police have arrested innocent refugee Eugene Jun 2016 #30
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