Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News Editorials & Other Articles General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

Sancho

(9,081 posts)
16. A history of mental illness and multiple calls to the police.People Control, Not Gun Control This i
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 08:50 AM
Jun 2016

People Control, Not Gun Control

This is my generic response to gun threads where people are shot and killed by the dumb or criminal possession of guns. For the record, I grew up in the South and on military bases. I was taught about firearms as a child, and I grew up hunting, was a member of the NRA, and I still own guns. In the 70’s, I dropped out of the NRA because they become more radical and less interested in safety and training. Some personal experiences where people I know were involved in shootings caused me to realize that anyone could obtain and posses a gun no matter how illogical it was for them to have a gun. Also, easy access to more powerful guns, guns in the hands of children, and guns that weren’t secured are out of control in our society. As such, here’s what I now think ought to be the requirements to possess a gun. I’m not debating the legal language, I just think it’s the reasonable way to stop the shootings. Notice, none of this restricts the type of guns sold. This is aimed at the people who shoot others, because it’s clear that they should never have had a gun.

1.) Anyone in possession of a gun (whether they own it or not) should have a regularly renewed license. If you want to call it a permit, certificate, or something else that's fine.
2.) To get a license, you should have a background check, and be examined by a professional for emotional and mental stability appropriate for gun possession. It might be appropriate to require that examination to be accompanied by references from family, friends, employers, etc. This check is not to subject you to a mental health diagnosis, just check on your superficial and apparent gun-worthyness.
3.) To get the license, you should be required to take a safety course and pass a test appropriate to the type of gun you want to use.
4.) To get a license, you should be over 21. Under 21, you could only use a gun under direct supervision of a licensed person and after obtaining a learner’s license. Your license might be restricted if you have children or criminals or other unsafe people living in your home. (If you want to argue 18 or 25 or some other age, fine. 21 makes sense to me.)
5.) If you possess a gun, you would have to carry a liability insurance policy specifically for gun ownership - and likely you would have to provide proof of appropriate storage, security, and whatever statistical reasons that emerge that would drive the costs and ability to get insurance.
6.) You could not purchase a gun or ammunition without a license, and purchases would have a waiting period.
7.) If you possess a gun without a license, you go to jail, the gun is impounded, and a judge will have to let you go (just like a DUI).
8.) No one should carry an unsecured gun (except in a locked case, unloaded) when outside of home. Guns should be secure when transporting to a shooting event without demonstrating a special need. Their license should indicate training and special carry circumstances beyond recreational shooting (security guard, etc.). If you are carrying your gun while under the influence of drugs or alcohol, you lose your gun and license.
9.) If you buy, sell, give away, or inherit a gun, your license information should be recorded.
10.) If you accidentally discharge your gun, commit a crime, get referred by a mental health professional, are served a restraining order, etc., you should lose your license and guns until reinstated by a serious relicensing process.

Most of you know that a license is no big deal. Besides a driver’s license you need a license to fish, operate a boat, or many other activities. I realize these differ by state, but that is not a reason to let anyone without a bit of sense pack a semiautomatic weapon in public, on the roads, and in schools. I think we need to make it much harder for some people to have guns.

More responsible gun ownership. . .until they stop being responsible and shoot their children Feeling the Bern Jun 2016 #1
The existence of female domestic violence, Ghost Dog Jun 2016 #2
THAT's what you get out of this? That "female domestic violence" needs to be "dealt with"? SunSeeker Jun 2016 #6
That the Gun Issue is of primary importance does not nullify Ghost Dog Jun 2016 #7
Your graphic says "abused woman" IronLionZion Jun 2016 #13
That's what I get out of it too. Akicita Jun 2016 #19
But not too helpful when your crazy ex is breaking down your door to kill you. Akicita Jun 2016 #20
sure they'll admit it--as long as there's a *man* to blame somewhere up the road MisterP Jun 2016 #24
The majority of women who are murdered and murdered by someone they know Beaverhausen Jun 2016 #36
14 calls for disturbances, history of mental illness, one of millions of gun inheritors. jtuck004 Jun 2016 #3
I don't get this Skittles Jun 2016 #4
He was huddled over JustAnotherGen Jun 2016 #8
Well, Because RobinA Jun 2016 #12
so in real life Skittles Jun 2016 #37
He propably would have been arrested for domestic violence. Akicita Jun 2016 #21
Justice Thomas just argued Geronimoe Jun 2016 #5
"intentional nonconsensual touching of a family member" Paladin Jun 2016 #31
According to the NRA, everyone should have been more concerned for the gun than their own lives MrScorpio Jun 2016 #9
The NRA would say the girls should have had guns IronLionZion Jun 2016 #14
wtf is someone who has multiple suicide attempts, is obviously mentally ill and violent AntiBank Jun 2016 #10
That was one of my first thoughts. The husband should have "disappeared" the gun years ago. n/t patricia92243 Jun 2016 #11
You'd be surprised just how many gun owners are like her. And the damn gun nuts Hoyt Jun 2016 #29
My position is if there is proven violence or a suicide attempt(in this case multiple ones) then AntiBank Jun 2016 #30
I agree, but you will get a lot of opposition. See what happens if you propose restricting guns for Hoyt Jun 2016 #32
the best way to go is to get Clinton elected, pack the supreme court, roll back heller and move on AntiBank Jun 2016 #33
Very hopefull it plays out like that. I think even Scalia would have supported doing something in Hoyt Jun 2016 #34
the sad and tragic irony... Javaman Jun 2016 #15
A history of mental illness and multiple calls to the police.People Control, Not Gun Control This i Sancho Jun 2016 #16
Well put. Else You Are Mad Jun 2016 #26
Why was there a gun in the house? Why didn't the husband do anything when she went away to reload? Nitram Jun 2016 #17
He was huddled over one of his daughters TexasBushwhacker Jun 2016 #22
Well, according to pro-gun apologists, the only thing wrong with this Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #18
If only that husband & those kids had a gun... GOLGO 13 Jun 2016 #23
Guns should have been removed from the house. hollowdweller Jun 2016 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #27
Old Women also can kill Family HockeyMom Jun 2016 #28
"To Late", she said. Sunlei Jun 2016 #35
This family knew they had a problem, yet did nothing about it. ManiacJoe Jun 2016 #38
Latest Discussions»Latest Breaking News»Husband and Daughters Beg...»Reply #16