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51. Red-herring. This isn't about water under the bridge, or means justify the ends

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 10:23 AM

Jul 2016

It's about addressing the problem of trustworthiness of democrats.

That's already a problem in this campaign cycle.

That problem has now spread to the structure and function of the DNC.

If we want democracy, and I'll grant that some really may not, it's time to tear the old paper off the walls and rip the rugs off the floors and fumigate.

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] Ellipsis Jul 2016 OP

Um, no bluedye33139 Jul 2016 #1

Cheating is not 'difficulty' it's unethical behavior of the exact sort that undermines voter Bluenorthwest Jul 2016 #14

The one person floated an idea bluedye33139 Jul 2016 #17

Unethical behavior is also smearing and badmouthing people publicly with nasty R B Garr Jul 2016 #55

Cheating is not 'difficulty'. Nailed it. nt zentrum Jul 2016 #110

Is This the Chair, to which you are Referring? liberalmike27 Jul 2016 #30

Those Brooklyn votes were Clinton voters. annavictorious Jul 2016 #68

Thank you for the correction, annavictorious. It is apparently still necessary here. eom BlueCaliDem Jul 2016 #81

All the corrections in the world won't help... Blue Idaho Jul 2016 #90

And we cannot forget that Putin has an army of online trolls to infiltrate all U.S. blogs and social BlueCaliDem Jul 2016 #93

Perhaps They are Rethinking liberalmike27 Jul 2016 #143

No one is stopping you from discussing these two emails. Blue Idaho Jul 2016 #144

You are incorrect, probably purposefully. OwlinAZ Jul 2016 #104

Bernie has moved on... Blue Idaho Jul 2016 #120

Bernie has moved on to.. cannabis_flower Jul 2016 #126

I can't say I a big fan of DWS Blue Idaho Jul 2016 #127

have read a number of news stories regarding OwlinAZ Jul 2016 #113

It's over... Blue Idaho Jul 2016 #122

Nope. The convention has started. The primary is over. nt onehandle Jul 2016 #2

Yes it has...move on agingdem Jul 2016 #4

Wow: You sound just like Bush Supporters in December 2000: Get Over It! Move ON! Chasstev365 Jul 2016 #88

Oh please! agingdem Jul 2016 #94

I am supporting Clinton and Kaine, but THAT'S NOT FRICKEN THE POINT! Chasstev365 Jul 2016 #100

I agree classykaren Jul 2016 #103

Similar things were perpetrated on Howard Dean. OwlinAZ Jul 2016 #107

I hear ya. Just posting the link. Ellipsis Jul 2016 #6

mho R0ckyRac00n Jul 2016 #36

we can't solve problems with the party! retrowire Jul 2016 #42

NPR said this morn she is stepping down after the convention Cattledog Jul 2016 #3

That works for me. Ellipsis Jul 2016 #7

She will hopefully be stepping into a cabinet position marshall Jul 2016 #16

Please no Hillary is not that stupid awake Jul 2016 #19

+1 mog75 Jul 2016 #141

Yes, in todays politics elmac Jul 2016 #41

I don't agree with her stepping down now. It should wait until the next election. LiberalFighter Jul 2016 #50

Excellent Ruby the Liberal Jul 2016 #25

I disagree, Ellipsis. chwaliszewski Jul 2016 #5

nope. stonecutter357 Jul 2016 #8

Thanks, Bernie. We'll handle our own party. nt msanthrope Jul 2016 #9

zing. Ellipsis Jul 2016 #10

Amen! Little Star Jul 2016 #20

Thank you. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2016 #24

Worry about Trump's politico goons and their past behavior. This is an impoirtant read::::: L. Coyote Jul 2016 #29

Excluding liberalmike27 Jul 2016 #31

Yeah.....outside the Internet, I've yet to meet an actual Bernie voter who won't vote for HRC msanthrope Jul 2016 #43

well... R0ckyRac00n Jul 2016 #35

He can pull in the cash, from millions of small donors, in a mater of HOURS... Ellipsis Jul 2016 #37

We will see what he does downballot. So far, that didn't help in the primaries, for those msanthrope Jul 2016 #45

sure, thats one measure, an important one R0ckyRac00n Jul 2016 #56

You are helping Hillary lose Android3.14 Jul 2016 #39

Lose the primary? We know who did that. As for the general, if you're not voting HRC because of msanthrope Jul 2016 #47

Primary is over, or haven't you heard? Android3.14 Jul 2016 #69

HRC won fair and square. I believe that. BS ran a good campaign, but it's over now. msanthrope Jul 2016 #75

Evidence proves otherwise Android3.14 Jul 2016 #77

Apparently Bernie is just fine with it....he eschewed faux outrage.... msanthrope Jul 2016 #79

Not true, and even if it were, we still need to make the next Primary legitimate Android3.14 Jul 2016 #83

This primary was legitimate. POC and women overwhelmingly selected HRC. nt msanthrope Jul 2016 #89

The two statements are not linked. Android3.14 Jul 2016 #91

Yeah.... okay. I am sure you can prove how those emails deligitimize the votes cast for HRC msanthrope Jul 2016 #96

You keep misdirecting. Please show some backbone and face the issue Android3.14 Jul 2016 #125

Of course. An anonymous Internet poster will swing the election. nt msanthrope Jul 2016 #128

This primary was a mess on both sides. OwlinAZ Jul 2016 #112

Welcome to DU. I am proud of our primary process and the selection of HRC. nt msanthrope Jul 2016 #121

You are proud of it? pipoman Jul 2016 #135

Yes. HRC won fair and square. nt msanthrope Jul 2016 #137

OK...ok....ok......ok..........ok...............ok....... pipoman Jul 2016 #139

Just a FYI unfortunately if she doesn't fire Debbie she just might . classykaren Jul 2016 #105

Clinton is going to win in a landslide. joshcryer Jul 2016 #132

There will be no landslides this election cycle... pipoman Jul 2016 #136

Sanders disappoints me. LiberalFighter Jul 2016 #54

Anybody heard when Bernie is going to join the Democratic Party? Cryptoad Jul 2016 #97

Catch up. pipoman Jul 2016 #138

Muster Cryptoad Jul 2016 #140

That's right. DawgHouse Jul 2016 #99

You think you own the Party? OwlinAZ Jul 2016 #109

I've been a Democrat for decades. I am glad Bernie joined last year. msanthrope Jul 2016 #111

Focus on Beating Trump-Bernie Sanders heresAthingdotcom Jul 2016 #11

Happy 100th post - Welcome to DU. Ellipsis Jul 2016 #12

If the Democrats were really hell-bent on beating Trump, Gene Debs Jul 2016 #78

Donate to her D opponent HERE: Democratic Underground for Tim Canova FL-23 Omaha Steve Jul 2016 #13

+1 FailureToCommunicate Jul 2016 #76

I wonder what Sanders wants to achieve Hav Jul 2016 #15

Not "Whistling past the graveyard I suppose when asked a direct question... Ellipsis Jul 2016 #18

A less corrupt system of government. ozone_man Jul 2016 #142

I hope DWS does step down. bigwillq Jul 2016 #21

Am sure she will step up into a nice Clinton administration job elmac Jul 2016 #53

President Obama would have to fire DWS. annavictorious Jul 2016 #98

Bernie is as thin skinned as Trump jehop61 Jul 2016 #22

Red-herring. This isn't about water under the bridge, or means justify the ends HereSince1628 Jul 2016 #51

Oh, that statement will really help rally Bernie supporters to the cause elmac Jul 2016 #60

Nope, afraid not Bernie! Oh, and by the way, you lost the primary. leftofcool Jul 2016 #23

Lost by millions of votes, hundreds of pledged delegates, and damn near all the super D's. DWS... Tarheel_Dem Jul 2016 #28

Are you talking to us? lostnfound Jul 2016 #33

And Russian athletes won fair and square at the 2014 Olympics... Android3.14 Jul 2016 #46

Lets call it what it really is........ Old Vet Jul 2016 #26

Bernie didn't get screwed. Loki Jul 2016 #52

So, he wasn't "screwed" - in your opinion. Can you at least admit that he jonno99 Jul 2016 #67

So tell me, how was he treated "not fairly". Loki Jul 2016 #87

He got screwed by the party he has supported for decades elmac Jul 2016 #62

Isn't this the guy whose campaign hacked into the DNC database and downloaded Clinton's... George II Jul 2016 #27

He's the guy that repeatedly warned the DNC .99center Jul 2016 #64

Perhaps you need to reread what really happened. The one security issue in October was different BlueCaliDem Jul 2016 #92

I'm not conflating the multiple security issues .99center Jul 2016 #124

The DNC voter database is a completely different system than the email system. George II Jul 2016 #129

If Iam correct the DNC stopped his access to the database for a short time Old Vet Jul 2016 #32

I think he's right. We should move away from any appearance of shady deals hollowdweller Jul 2016 #34

Agreed. I have moved on from the primaries and am committed to supporting Hillary in the general, WIProgressive88 Jul 2016 #40

Amen! scottie10 Jul 2016 #49

They think we are sore losers... LakeArenal Jul 2016 #74

I don't think the majority of Hillary primary backers are sore winners, but there for sure are some. WIProgressive88 Jul 2016 #85

K&R yuiyoshida Jul 2016 #38

oh the old wounds that were torn open in this thread retrowire Jul 2016 #44

unn yuiyoshida Jul 2016 #48

indeed Ellipsis Jul 2016 #57

FIRED IMMEDIATELY Dkc05 Jul 2016 #58

by the Sunday evening news, something could happen but now with the Russian conncection... Ellipsis Jul 2016 #61

Boom... and Bob's your uncle. Ellipsis Jul 2016 #134

Some can't help it-------Stirring the Shit Pot Cryptoad Jul 2016 #59

On that note then blame Stephanopolous. Ellipsis Jul 2016 #66

Because, you know, the truth is shit Android3.14 Jul 2016 #70

This message was self-deleted by its author LongtimeAZDem Jul 2016 #63

Hard enough to get the MSM to mention the convention Cryptoad Jul 2016 #82

Another similarity to Trump? yallerdawg Jul 2016 #65

Her term is over in a few months anyway frazzled Jul 2016 #71

...like how the Duggar family handled Josh. Ellipsis Jul 2016 #73

It's funny Scalded Nun Jul 2016 #72

In order to support Democrats (i.e., H. Clinton), we should ignore information like this, tabasco Jul 2016 #80

if the Nazi wins heaven05 Jul 2016 #84

Well then unify with your fellow Democrats .99center Jul 2016 #102

what are you talking about? heaven05 Jul 2016 #106

Debbie already stepped down Raspol Jul 2016 #86

What does a public calling out of DWS accomplish at this point SticksnStones Jul 2016 #95

It would be called accountability. ciaobaby Jul 2016 #115

Yes. Thank you Ellipsis Jul 2016 #117

Yes I can see that to some SticksnStones Jul 2016 #130

She needs to step down. liberalmuse Jul 2016 #101

This return to primary bickering is exactly what the Trump people want. Chemisse Jul 2016 #108

This isn't primary bickering. ciaobaby Jul 2016 #119

I agree - absolutely. Chemisse Jul 2016 #133

She's an embarrassment to the Party. The sooner she leaves the better. jalan48 Jul 2016 #114

Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #116

Bullshit- We have only gained ground = Welcome to DU Ellipsis Jul 2016 #118

If you think the Democratic Party is just like the Republican Blue Idaho Jul 2016 #123

Absolutely. Debbie Wasserman Schultz should step down as DNC chair at once. avaistheone1 Jul 2016 #131

DWS has stepped down (even though she was stepping down anyway) Blue_Tires Jul 2016 #145