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LisaL

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49. Her life support was her feeding tube.
Sun Aug 28, 2016, 12:18 PM
Aug 2016

Her feeding tube wasn't sending any signals to her brain. She didn't need a ventilator and was not on a ventilator. Which is why it took so long before she died after feeding tube was removed.

You do realize he was brain dead, or no? LisaL Aug 2016 #1
Yes I can read. NWCorona Aug 2016 #3
You clearly don't know the story. LisaL Aug 2016 #5
And how does that change the qoute I provided? NWCorona Aug 2016 #10
He was declared brain dead in April. LisaL Aug 2016 #17
Diagnosed in April, taken to other doctors for second opinions. Not heartless at all. cleanhippie Aug 2016 #55
They even went to Guatemala. Historic NY Aug 2016 #177
Exactly. cleanhippie Aug 2016 #179
What would be the explaination? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Aug 2016 #102
Doesn't matter. The parents should decide PERIOD!!!!! yeoman6987 Aug 2016 #77
And sometimes it is kinder to remove the decision to Ilsa Aug 2016 #84
He was declared brain dead in April. LisaL Aug 2016 #86
I wasn't speaking to this case specifically. I was speaking in general terms. nt Ilsa Aug 2016 #89
Relatives of brain dead patients might be given a few days for final goodbyes. LisaL Aug 2016 #92
Actually, sometimes it can go on for a couple of weeks. Ilsa Aug 2016 #97
He was declared brain dead in US hospital. LisaL Aug 2016 #98
Hey, I get that. Ilsa Aug 2016 #101
I don't think his family would ever accept it. LisaL Aug 2016 #114
Yes they would have, but they were not allowed to grieve and accept their loss NoGoodNamesLeft Aug 2016 #117
How could they possibly ever accept it, if they don't believe that brain dead person is dead? LisaL Aug 2016 #123
No, the hospital started pushing to test and remove life support within 24 hours of transfer NoGoodNamesLeft Aug 2016 #128
There might have been a facility willing to take the baby and keep him on machines Blandocyte Aug 2016 #144
And brain dead patients will still remain brain dead. LisaL Aug 2016 #169
That was utterly, utterly scandalous. Diabolical. Joe Chi Minh Aug 2016 #166
Very good points. yeoman6987 Aug 2016 #99
Kinder, schminder -- Who should have the right to "remove the decision" from the family? whathehell Aug 2016 #105
At some point the parents have to understand that the patient isn't Ilsa Aug 2016 #112
"Not everyone wants to make that life/death decision about a family member" whathehell Aug 2016 #137
Maybe someone else needed that equipment and all the man hours put into caring... TipTok Aug 2016 #147
The question was who had the legal right whathehell Aug 2016 #172
That questions seems to have been settled... TipTok Aug 2016 #174
Not with a lawsuit pending... whathehell Aug 2016 #176
Exactly. Hospitals have committees and procedures so the parents don't have to decide. lindysalsagal Aug 2016 #158
Medical resources aren't limitless, not even at big city hospitals Warpy Aug 2016 #91
Perhaps the medical equipment and resources used to keep the baby "alive" Unit 001 Aug 2016 #93
do you have any idea what is involved with keeping someone on life support? tymorial Aug 2016 #106
No the parents should not decide period. mostlyalurker Aug 2016 #118
There comes a point when all hope is gone that it makes more sense to let nature take it's course dflprincess Aug 2016 #119
Who's footing the bill? Lunabell Aug 2016 #135
Two words: Jahi McMath obamanut2012 Aug 2016 #141
We haven't heard anything about her now. Historic NY Aug 2016 #178
and who pays for it? Just keep a brain dead human on life support for decades? snooper2 Aug 2016 #146
Yes because parents are always correct right? titaniumsalute Aug 2016 #180
This is a difficult issue. Chemisse Aug 2016 #2
I'm all for having an SOP in these situations. NWCorona Aug 2016 #4
SOP is to turn these patients off, because in brain death is legal death in most states. LisaL Aug 2016 #6
?SOP? Standardization of Practices perhaps? n/t Chemisse Aug 2016 #8
standard operation procedures NWCorona Aug 2016 #12
Ahh. Thanks. Chemisse Aug 2016 #13
There is an SOP and it was followed in this case. yardwork Aug 2016 #57
A brain dead patient isn't alive. LisaL Aug 2016 #9
That's interesting to know. Chemisse Aug 2016 #11
He hasn't been kept alive. His organs were kept alive. LisaL Aug 2016 #20
'Legally dead ?' Is that your legal criterion ? You are confused. Joe Chi Minh Aug 2016 #161
Brain dead = legally dead tammywammy Aug 2016 #162
That's called, 'begging the question'. Joe Chi Minh Aug 2016 #164
So that explains skepticscott Aug 2016 #71
That accounts for Chris Christie then... OnDoutside Aug 2016 #78
NJ's governor is the sole exception. ChairmanAgnostic Aug 2016 #116
It isn't just the cost of treatment. EL34x4 Aug 2016 #16
And costs are astronomical because due to brain being dead, it takes a lot of effort to keep the LisaL Aug 2016 #21
I work in healthcare, and there is a SOP for situations like this. BigDemVoter Aug 2016 #61
Nope, we shouldn't. There are an estimated 10,000 people living on life-support because once Hestia Aug 2016 #75
It was the right thing to do for many reasons (n/t) William Seger Aug 2016 #7
I agree but it seems like there was poor communications with the parents NWCorona Aug 2016 #14
He was declared brain dead in April. LisaL Aug 2016 #18
"... poor communications with the parents" left-of-center2012 Aug 2016 #27
Exactly. It wasn't sudden. Child was diagnosed as brain dead in April. LisaL Aug 2016 #33
Consider the alternatives. Igel Aug 2016 #35
This message was self-deleted by its author left-of-center2012 Aug 2016 #39
No, there wasn't. The parents simply could accept reality for what it was. cleanhippie Aug 2016 #56
There was extensive communication, over months, with the parents. yardwork Aug 2016 #59
As other posters have noted skepticscott Aug 2016 #72
There was good communication awoke_in_2003 Aug 2016 #100
From my personal experience hotrod0808 Aug 2016 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author LisaL Aug 2016 #19
That is an awfully cold response PatSeg Aug 2016 #22
An awful lot of them have turned out to not be dead.Science does not Joe Chi Minh Aug 2016 #28
Israel didn't have half of his brain function. LisaL Aug 2016 #30
Rubbish ! The medical progfession have only taken a stab at defining the point of death. Joe Chi Minh Aug 2016 #54
Well, all the doctors did is to turn off the ventilator. LisaL Aug 2016 #58
'Because the ventilator was the only thing keeping his organs alive.' Therefore, Joe Chi Minh Aug 2016 #159
His organs were alive, not him. LisaL Aug 2016 #170
I'm not sure what you mean by no difference mrs_p Aug 2016 #95
You should inform the scientists who post to Uncommondescent. I suspect Joe Chi Minh Aug 2016 #153
Delete this response. nt msanthrope Aug 2016 #68
Thank you for sharing your own experience PatSeg Aug 2016 #23
Thank you. hotrod0808 Aug 2016 #26
You are so welcome PatSeg Aug 2016 #31
Nothing is worse than what you went through, and I extend my sympathies to you and your still_one Aug 2016 #48
I am sorry for your loss and your experience. nt msanthrope Aug 2016 #67
I'm so sorry that you had to endure the loss of your child, especially without proper support renate Aug 2016 #152
Thank you all for your support hotrod0808 Aug 2016 #175
The poor child was brain dead. Buckeye_Democrat Aug 2016 #24
BLM Elmergantry Aug 2016 #25
Terri Schiavo was white. Buckeye_Democrat Aug 2016 #29
Schiavo wasn't even actually brain dead. LisaL Aug 2016 #32
And her husband was her next of kin TexasBushwhacker Aug 2016 #79
Everyone makes mistakes, and many spouses make bad choices. Joe Chi Minh Aug 2016 #155
He never divorced her TexasBushwhacker Aug 2016 #168
You can see from the photo of her with that ecstatic expression and gesture that Joe Chi Minh Aug 2016 #156
"When people lose sight of God" tammywammy Aug 2016 #160
Do you beleive that the most sophisticated computer-software Joe Chi Minh Aug 2016 #163
which has absolutely nothing to do with this case ..... Lil Missy Aug 2016 #151
I suspect the staff rushed to disconnect because they knew how the parents would respond. Shrike47 Aug 2016 #34
He wasn't in that particular hospital for months. LisaL Aug 2016 #36
Quite possible...Unfortunately for them, it's not a legitimate reason for doing it. whathehell Aug 2016 #138
It already was decided in court. Hospital removed life support after going to court and getting LisaL Aug 2016 #171
It looks like that decision is being appealed.. whathehell Aug 2016 #173
The Terri Schiavo case left-of-center2012 Aug 2016 #37
Schiavo was not brain dead. She was in persistent vegetative state. LisaL Aug 2016 #38
Read the autopsy left-of-center2012 Aug 2016 #41
Her brain was damaged, but her brain stem was still functioning tammywammy Aug 2016 #43
Yep, she was in PVS, not brain dead. LisaL Aug 2016 #46
She had a brain that weighted half of expected-but she still had a brain. LisaL Aug 2016 #44
There was fluid where her brain was supposed to be. rocktivity Aug 2016 #47
Her life support was her feeding tube. LisaL Aug 2016 #49
Way to blow your case, counselor! rocktivity Aug 2016 #40
Hmm - Is it possible? left-of-center2012 Aug 2016 #42
There is a zero percent chance that he was getting better in Guatemala Stryst Aug 2016 #66
Kind of like the McMath situation in the denial of the obvious. n/t cloudbase Aug 2016 #45
Very sad situation when parents are unable to face the reality of brain death. mnhtnbb Aug 2016 #50
I find it suspicious and sad arithia Aug 2016 #51
What is their purpose in filing a lawsuit? jalan48 Aug 2016 #52
The purpose was to keep the life support in place even though there was zero chance of a recovery cstanleytech Aug 2016 #63
Thanks. jalan48 Aug 2016 #90
One of many reasons I never became a physician. cab67 Aug 2016 #53
The sensationalist title is deceptive, written to pluck heartstrings. Agnosticsherbet Aug 2016 #60
sad Cryptoad Aug 2016 #62
Time chose to write a deceptive story rather than inform. Agnosticsherbet Aug 2016 #65
THIS--“I was on the phone with his mother when the doctors disconnected him"--IS THE AWFUL PART. No WinkyDink Aug 2016 #64
"Ma'am, it is time. We must disconnect your child from life support." Indydem Aug 2016 #69
Depending on the equipment involved it's a long process, and nurses suggest stepping out LeftyMom Aug 2016 #87
this entire thread is filled with so much supposition, opinion and straight out lies tymorial Aug 2016 #109
My mom spent two weeks on a ventilator in April, so this process is fresh in my mind. LeftyMom Aug 2016 #110
She could have held her son's hand as the machines were disconnected. Sand Rat Expat Aug 2016 #94
I wouldn't want to be kept alive by machines perdita9 Aug 2016 #70
The child was already dead, and this couldn't even be kept alive obamanut2012 Aug 2016 #142
This is beyond my understanding Boomer Aug 2016 #73
Reminds me of the situation with Jahi McMath brain death. SunSeeker Aug 2016 #74
She is in New Jersey. LisaL Aug 2016 #76
She's dead. She's been dead for years. Her body is in New Jersey. LeftyMom Aug 2016 #88
She was transported there from CA. Starry Messenger Aug 2016 #104
I know that. I was responding to a poster who didn't know where she was at now. LisaL Aug 2016 #111
Yeah ProudToBeBlueInRhody Aug 2016 #103
Well, apparently there is one good reason: money. SunSeeker Aug 2016 #115
It would be a very tall order to prove that she is alive. LisaL Aug 2016 #122
This message was self-deleted by its author TexasBushwhacker Aug 2016 #80
Asthma killed him, poor little guy. May his family find peace. Hekate Aug 2016 #81
Second thoughts: if they had the money to go to Guatemala, why was his asthma untreated here? Hekate Aug 2016 #82
I am pretty sure the money to go to Gutemala were collected after he was declared brain dead. LisaL Aug 2016 #85
I know the law. Duval Aug 2016 #83
I suspect they had used up all their 'bedside manner' moments with this couple. Chemisse Aug 2016 #96
I suspect that if the parents had money, they would have been shown more respect & consideration whathehell Aug 2016 #108
The very recommendation I was about to make. Joe Chi Minh Aug 2016 #167
The family was well aware of both the recommendations and the procedure tymorial Aug 2016 #107
Link to a story on this from the Washington Post back in May of this year. Adsos Letter Aug 2016 #113
Were they being scammed by the hospital in Guatemala? Bradical79 Aug 2016 #120
The boy was only put on life support on April 1st NoGoodNamesLeft Aug 2016 #121
There can not be either recovery or healing for someone who is brain dead. LisaL Aug 2016 #124
Perhaps you should tell that to Hanna Lottritz.... NoGoodNamesLeft Aug 2016 #129
None of tehm were brain dead -- brainv dead is dead obamanut2012 Aug 2016 #143
Yes, they were all deemed brain dead NoGoodNamesLeft Aug 2016 #148
No, none of them were obamanut2012 Aug 2016 #165
Dr. Paul Byrne is not a credible source. tammywammy Aug 2016 #127
I looked him up and he appears to be licensed NoGoodNamesLeft Aug 2016 #130
You should read up more on him tammywammy Aug 2016 #131
That is a blog, not anything official. NoGoodNamesLeft Aug 2016 #133
I said he's not credible tammywammy Aug 2016 #134
I'm sorry, but I will not discredit a licensed medical professional based on opinions and not facts NoGoodNamesLeft Aug 2016 #149
Sure you'll discredit licensed medical professionals CreekDog Aug 2016 #157
huh what? woundedkarma Aug 2016 #125
Did you bother to read the article? LisaL Aug 2016 #126
You really need to do more research on this case rather than look at that one article NoGoodNamesLeft Aug 2016 #132
"They performed the tests against her permission"? randome Aug 2016 #145
Since they withdrew permission to do the test NoGoodNamesLeft Aug 2016 #150
He died in April. LeftyMom Aug 2016 #136
+1000 Hekate Aug 2016 #154
Heartless? Seriously? The parents are delusional, it's Terri Schiavo all over again. Odin2005 Aug 2016 #139
Good -- we do not need a redux of poor Jahi McMath obamanut2012 Aug 2016 #140
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