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Denzil_DC

(7,227 posts)
43. Globalization is reality.
Sat Apr 15, 2017, 08:33 AM
Apr 2017

There's no escaping it without withdrawing into total isolationism, which even the current UK Tory government and the Brexit campaign (inasmuch as it was coherent) isn't proposing. The question is how to manage it, and in whose interests.

As things stand, it looks like the UK standing alone will be managing it in favour of big business and multinational corporations in desperation to make up for the likely loss of trade with the EU (note that May was one of Trump's first high-profile visitors after he took power). In the initial negotiating stances, it's actually the EU that's trying to put a shot across the UK government's bow by suggesting there would be penalties for imposing a low-tax/low workers' rights offshore money laundering regime that would lead to unfair competition with EU countries.

So much mythology had built up about the EU (which undoubtedly, like any polity, has flaws and needs reform, and always will) that it was impossible to counter it effectively in the hurly-burly of a highly charged campaign.

Where did some of these most persistent myths originate? Well, one major factor was Boris Johnson, our current Foreign Secretary. Here's Martin Fletcher, a journalist who worked alongside Johnson in Brussels:


Johnson, sacked by The Times in 1988 for fabricating a quote, made his mark in Brussels not through fair and balanced reporting, but through extreme euro-scepticism. He seized every chance to mock or denigrate the EU, filing stories that were undoubtedly colourful but also grotesquely exaggerated or completely untrue.

The Telegraph loved it. So did the Tory Right. Johnson later confessed: 'Everything I wrote from Brussels, I found was sort of chucking these rocks over the garden wall and I listened to this amazing crash from the greenhouse next door over in England as everything I wrote from Brussels was having this amazing, explosive effect on the Tory party, and it really gave me this I suppose rather weird sense of power.'

Johnson’s reports also had an amazing, explosive effect on the rest of Fleet Street. They were much more fun than the usual dry and rather complex Brussels fare. News editors on other papers, particularly but not exclusively the tabloids, started pressing their own correspondents to match them. By the time I arrived in Brussels editors only wanted stories about faceless Brussels eurocrats imposing absurd rules on Britain, or scheming Europeans ganging up on us, or British prime ministers fighting plucky rearguard actions against a hostile continent.

Much of Fleet Street seemed unable to view the EU through any other prism. It was the only narrative it was interested in. Stories that did not bash Brussels, stories that acknowledged the EU’s many achievements, stories that recognised that Britain had many natural allies in Europe and often won important arguments, almost invariably ended up on the spike.

https://www.indy100.com/article/a-journalist-has-shared-a-story-about-boris-johnson-that-completely-undermines-his-authority-on-the-eu--bkoHJPBuVZ


It's not so much that governments felt they didn't have to explain EU policy decisions to the electorate. It suited the UK government to have the EU as a scapegoat for all the ills besetting the country - a handy distraction from the mindless fetish of austerity, and lack of investment and vision, especially in the wake of the 2008 crash.

And even if the EU or the UK government felt like justifying and explaining policy developments (the EU does run websites and other forms of outreach in an attempt to explain itself, and some decent MEPs do try to communicate with their constituents), as outlined above, it would be a severely uphill task getting the media to provide informative coverage. There were furious howls from the Brexit campaign during the referendum when Cameron belatedly published a booklet circulated to all households setting out the advantages of EU membership.

Little Englanders think the UK (they'll often slip and call the UK England) is an exceptional country, and hark back to the Empire, pounds, shillings and pence, imperial measurements, and a time when non-white faces in their localities were rarer than they are now. They think the UK is so exceptional that it should have all the perks of EU trade without adhering to the Four Freedoms. Apparently theirs is the only voice that matters at the moment, as the rest of us are constantly being told to sit down and shut up. We're disenfranchised, so let's talk about sovereignty.

Ex-minister under Thatcher Michael Heseltine (I'm no fan, but he's right on this) described triggering Article 50 as "the biggest sacrifice of British sovereignty that I can remember:




Jack Jazz @JackkJazz

#Article50 #PMQs The reality of Brexit


We will still be subject to EU regulations and laws if we want to trade with it as a bloc, but we won't have any say in shaping them. Even if we go for the last-ditch WTO rules option if we can't agree trade deals with the EU, we'll still be beholden to others making the rules, and freedom of movement for employment will still be one of the strictures.

Meanwhile, the Great Repeal Bill proposed by the Tories will adopt all EU laws into British legislation, meaning the government can then pare away at any aspects it doesn't like (those that stand in the way of business interests and the Tories' ambition for consolidating long-term rule) by statutory instrument without any parliamentary scrutiny beyond, if we're lucky, a token debate or two.

Already, after months of saber-rattling, May and her sorry team of negotiators are backtracking and grudgingly acknowledging that the holy grail of a "hard Brexit" is impractical and there are strong limits to what the EU will be willing to concede in negotiations. The results will likely please nobody, as the government has acknowledged that even immigration, that great red herring, is unlikely to reduce significantly in the medium term, and it still has no more idea of the economic and unintended consequence costs of Brexit than it did during the referendum campaign.

And yes, you're right, it was idiotic and the height of irresponsibility to try to distill all these complexities into a simple yes/no question before any details had even been considered (our civil service was forbidden by Cameron from committing any contingency plans to paper), let alone worked out.

Now, on a daily basis, when not parroting the facile "Brexit means Brexit", the vote is being used to justify everything from leaving the Single Market (which we were reassured repeatedly, publicly and in parliament, during the campaign was not going to happen, so there was no point in even discussing it) to draconian steps to limit the rights of EU nationals living in the UK which will cripple our NHS and many of our industries (those we have left) - that process has already started as people are leaving the UK because of all the uncertainty and the general sense of hostility and being unwelcome.
Such decisions should never be put to referendum. JHan Apr 2017 #1
Disagree, but if ever was case needing Do-Over, this is it. Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2017 #5
From what I read, the younger people were mostly for Remain, the older mostly for Leave (nm) progree Apr 2017 #14
Yes, but enough younger people & some older people really regret their Leave vote. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2017 #17
No doubt, and they will regret it even more with the passage of time (nm) progree Apr 2017 #18
Yep. JHan Apr 2017 #24
You're right about globalization and the whipped up aversion to it however there were real issues.. JHan Apr 2017 #20
Yup you put the finger on a number of issues Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2017 #25
"countries like Greece and Spain could spend into a hole in the ground..." Ghost Dog Apr 2017 #35
Your version has a lot of truth in it. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2017 #37
Damned right. n/t Ghost Dog Apr 2017 #40
There are TWO kinds of globalization Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2017 #28
Globalization is reality. Denzil_DC Apr 2017 #43
thoughtful post, thanks for that. JHan Apr 2017 #46
You said it. It's why people elect others to run the country in a Democracy. randome Apr 2017 #6
No, there isn't any problem with asking for a referendum but for major issues something like that cstanleytech Apr 2017 #11
At the least, it should be 50% of ELIGIBLE VOTERS.... Wounded Bear Apr 2017 #21
The problem with that is that you can simply flip the question because all referenda are gonna fail. Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2017 #26
that's slightly better but I don't think it will improve things..I try to answer it here: JHan Apr 2017 #22
The problem is that there's no other way under the UK constitution to approach this, Denzil_DC Apr 2017 #44
I have tons of respect for Sturgeon, JHan Apr 2017 #45
+1 Blue_Tires Apr 2017 #15
Conservatism is itself an Act of Self-Harm maxsolomon Apr 2017 #2
+10000 byronius Apr 2017 #13
Then somebody in government needs to have the guts to pipe up and say this clearly. Denzil_DC Apr 2017 #3
With every painful action or act, the smarmy, smirking face of Nigel Farage... Raster Apr 2017 #4
They need to out Farage as a Russian asset tikka Apr 2017 #8
Thanks. Some here really don't want to look at the Russian connection to Calexit, either... Hekate Apr 2017 #16
Nobody wants the Brexit. Even the people who voted Yes in the referendum have changed their minds. DetlefK Apr 2017 #7
Putin wants Brexit. Putin wants to diminish any European unions or relationships... Raster Apr 2017 #10
It is amazing this politics of destruction. Large groups of voters bronxiteforever Apr 2017 #9
Post removed Post removed Apr 2017 #12
Care to rephrase that, pansypoo? "Idiot baby boomers"? That's the cause of all your troubles? Hekate Apr 2017 #19
Future headline: "Rethugs realises installing tRump was an act of great self-harm, bigly." nt kydo Apr 2017 #23
The fact they're going thought this with effectively no opposition party doesn't help Sen. Walter Sobchak Apr 2017 #27
I still remain hopeful that the UK government will go back to the people OnDoutside Apr 2017 #30
The problem is, if the people say "no"... regnaD kciN Apr 2017 #33
If they said no after a second referendum, then that would be it, OnDoutside Apr 2017 #41
There's no way John Callinan would have accidentally OnDoutside Apr 2017 #29
The EU might not even exist in a few years. LittleBlue Apr 2017 #31
They should have realized it before invoking Article 50... regnaD kciN Apr 2017 #32
A little late. That train has left the station. Voltaire2 Apr 2017 #34
If the unelected leaders of the British Government continue Ghost Dog Apr 2017 #36
Cameron was reckless. JHan Apr 2017 #38
Yes. He was selfishly-motivated in the context of the internal politics of his party, Ghost Dog Apr 2017 #39
I feel their pain ... JustABozoOnThisBus Apr 2017 #42
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