Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

TomCADem

(17,387 posts)
21. If so, Doesn't That Prove That U.S. Is Not Going to Protect Japan?
Sat Sep 16, 2017, 03:51 PM
Sep 2017

If the U.S. truly is treating test missiles launched at real targets as real, then the U.S. has pretty much done nothing as North Korea has launched missiles toward Japan. But, if it was launched at Guam, as you explain, then there may be consequences.

Which I think is the point that North Korea is trying to make. For all of Trump's bluster and threats, he is not a reliable ally. Worse, as you point out, while he will look the other way as missiles are launched toward Japan, if North Korea launches a test missile toward Guam, the U.S. will attack overwhelmingly with real ordinance, which will then give North Korea the green light to shoot artillery into the South Korea and Seoul, which will also illustrate to South Korea that Trump is not a reliable ally, particularly since Trump has been raising tensions with South Korea's new President.

Put another way, Russia/North Korea/China are totally playing Trump and boxing him in with his own bellicose rhetoric. The main calculation really is not whether North Korea actually launches nukes in a limited scale tit for tat, but whether Trump feels the need to make good with his overwhelming force threats.

This idiot and his warhawk administration are going to get us all killed. Impeach Trump Sep 2017 #1
You believe that North Korea will launch a nuke at us soon? Not Ruth Sep 2017 #3
No, I'm afraid of escalation and the possibility of having Impeach Trump Sep 2017 #4
I Can See North Korea Launching a Test Missile at Guam... TomCADem Sep 2017 #12
I do not consider a missile launched at Guam a test missile Not Ruth Sep 2017 #17
If so, Doesn't That Prove That U.S. Is Not Going to Protect Japan? TomCADem Sep 2017 #21
Japan is not a US territory Not Ruth Sep 2017 #22
Bingo! Trump Is Happy to Throw Allies Under the Bus TomCADem Sep 2017 #23
North Korea can choose not to launch any more missiles Not Ruth Sep 2017 #24
They Could, But If North Korea/China/Russia's Goal Is To Reduce US Influence... TomCADem Sep 2017 #25
That is a suicidal game Not Ruth Sep 2017 #27
I agree. yagotme Sep 2017 #31
Trump, has said he has secret plans and knows more than all of the military generals. The idiot! n/t RKP5637 Sep 2017 #2
"Patience for diplomacy is wearing thin." WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2017 #5
There are no military options... paleotn Sep 2017 #6
So you wish to wait until NK kills tens if not hundreds of thousands in an attack? former9thward Sep 2017 #11
So lets kill them now instead of later? Is that what you're suggesting? Aren't you a peach. paleotn Sep 2017 #18
What you are saying is exactly what was said about Hitler former9thward Sep 2017 #20
Easy for you to say, since I assume you don't have loved ones in Seoul.. paleotn Sep 2017 #28
No sorry, "only Hitler was Hitler" is false. former9thward Sep 2017 #30
There are military options. There are no military solutions. WheelWalker Sep 2017 #14
Options we cannnot take... paleotn Sep 2017 #19
Military Options Wolf Frankula Sep 2017 #7
Back when I was a youngster, my grandpa benld74 Sep 2017 #8
How quaint.................... turbinetree Sep 2017 #9
i've thought about what might happen if we launched a missile over North Korean territory. Calista241 Sep 2017 #10
North Korea/China/Russia's Joint Goal Regarding North Korea Missile Tests... TomCADem Sep 2017 #15
Good analysis... Dan Sep 2017 #16
According to Wiki, yagotme Sep 2017 #32
Of fucking course there are military options. Still In Wisconsin Sep 2017 #13
Perhaps Trump (or rather his advisors) should think of a way Turbineguy Sep 2017 #26
Waiting for trump to say something stupid like " Bring them on" Old Vet Sep 2017 #29
Latest Discussions»Latest Breaking News»After new N. Korea missil...»Reply #21