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LanternWaste

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64. You're moving the goalposts.

Wed Aug 22, 2018, 03:02 PM

Aug 2018

Faster than I can keep up.

And yet, the faults you find with Pelosi versus the righteousness you allow Nadler seem predicated not on objective statements, but on your own (admitted) interpretation of them.

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Pelosi says impeachment 'not a priority' after Cohen's guilty plea [View all] BeyondGeography Aug 2018 OP

Pelosi is smart; she knows trump wouldn't be convicted of an impeachment. 7962 Aug 2018 #1

November will ultimately be a referendum on impeachment BeyondGeography Aug 2018 #4

November mid terms will be a referendum of having effective checks on trump Gothmog Aug 2018 #82

I agree with your main pont BeyondGeography Aug 2018 #86

The GOP is trying to run on impeachment to motivate trump's base Gothmog Aug 2018 #87

Fortunately, there are articulate people out there who are somewhat better on their feet BeyondGeography Aug 2018 #100

There is a true culture of corruption the GOP that is a great issue Gothmog Aug 2018 #110

It is the GOP who is pushing the talk of impeachment Gothmog Aug 2018 #98

Exactly! Not enough Senate votes to convict so why give him that victory? LonePirate Aug 2018 #5

Yeah - with the republican party America 2018 Cosmocat Aug 2018 #43

Even if we won all the seats up for grabs in November we still would lack the votes cstanleytech Aug 2018 #70

It takes 67 votes in the Senate and that is not likely Gothmog Aug 2018 #97

We need him defeated in 2020 mostly treestar Aug 2018 #158

67, not 66 and impeaching him will not get us to 67. LonePirate Aug 2018 #159

I agree. saidsimplesimon Aug 2018 #28

I'm with Nancy Pelosi on this one. underthematrix Aug 2018 #35

Running on Impeachment DownriverDem Aug 2018 #45

At this time, they probably can't even get a House majority spooky3 Aug 2018 #56

If Democrats control the House, they should open investigations, investigations, investigations.... olegramps Aug 2018 #89

This is what lost us the house to begin with. Pelosi's refusal to impeach Bush onit2day Aug 2018 #121

+1000% - Dem leadership and their wobbliness is what infuriates me to no end... - n/t mazzarro Aug 2018 #122

A ridiculous assertion... brooklynite Aug 2018 #123

No. The far left was. GulfCoast66 Aug 2018 #162

If Muellers report MFM008 Aug 2018 #128

The priority is winning the house so we *can* impeach berni_mccoy Aug 2018 #2

That is the key. After the midterms is when that needs to be introduced. In the meantime the still_one Aug 2018 #8

Investigations should be opened up on several Republican Senators berni_mccoy Aug 2018 #11

You should have included Nunes. Not going to happen unless we get the majority, however, we should still_one Aug 2018 #23

I think this is whole bdamomma Aug 2018 #15

Exactly DownriverDem Aug 2018 #46

We need to win control of the House so that we have one branch that can check trump Gothmog Aug 2018 #83

The DNC has great polling that show that impeachment is a bad issue for Democrats Gothmog Aug 2018 #95

Who did the DNC poll ? CentralMass Aug 2018 #129

Poll finds risks for Democrats toying with impeachment promise Gothmog Aug 2018 #137

Yes! ehrnst Aug 2018 #133

Pelosi is right, no point to impeachment talk without control of House marylandblue Aug 2018 #3

She knows what she is doing, as usual. Talk now of impeachment WILL, without QUESTION Eliot Rosewater Aug 2018 #29

Yea DownriverDem Aug 2018 #50

I agree grantcart Aug 2018 #165

Absolutely. First we need to win back the House in Nov. DesertRat Aug 2018 #31

"Don't put the cart ahead of the horse." Hulk Aug 2018 #6

+ a million.. Wwcd Aug 2018 #10

First, win in November. dalton99a Aug 2018 #7

I agree even though I want to see Adolf Trump workinclasszero Aug 2018 #99

She doesn't have to talk about because some Rs DeminPennswoods Aug 2018 #9

I want him to resign all on his own. ginnyinWI Aug 2018 #12

He will never resign on his own. Putin won't let him. meadowlander Aug 2018 #22

If they go after his money he might BeyondGeography Aug 2018 #26

She is 100% correct. Keeping the trump noose around the GOP neck is beachbum bob Aug 2018 #13

+1 while keeping the Mueller noose around tRUmp at the same time. Ponietz Aug 2018 #60

She's right. bearsfootball516 Aug 2018 #14

long game heaven05 Aug 2018 #16

Given the lack of investigations during Junior's tenure for lying us into ut oh Aug 2018 #17

She's basically saying impeachment is off the table unless "something else comes forward" BeyondGeography Aug 2018 #51

If Pelosi calls for impeachment, then she becomes the story - instead of Trump's crimes. NYC Liberal Aug 2018 #18

There needs to be clear charges against Trump. apnu Aug 2018 #19

I don't want him Impeached,I want control of the House or Senate or BOTH........ Bengus81 Aug 2018 #20

Don't give the GOP an issue to run on bucolic_frolic Aug 2018 #21

Now is not the time to even talk about impeachment, that's what republicans want to see. George II Aug 2018 #24

Smart woman leftynyc Aug 2018 #25

Maybe she should just take a page from Trump's book Mr.Bill Aug 2018 #27

That would have been better BeyondGeography Aug 2018 #32

I so agree with you! nt jrthin Aug 2018 #108

I think she's doing the right thing. cab67 Aug 2018 #30

cats will play with their prey before killing them DBoon Aug 2018 #33

The first step to making rabbit stew is to catch some rabbits. Vinnie From Indy Aug 2018 #34

Excellent response. What we don't want is to be seen chomping at sinkingfeeling Aug 2018 #36

I think the Democrats would need 2/3rds of the house before impeachment elmac Aug 2018 #37

Simple majority ... GeorgeGist Aug 2018 #40

Rebellion generally springs from the young ... GeorgeGist Aug 2018 #38

This. CentralMass Aug 2018 #130

Most Americans are not looking for a rebellion GulfCoast66 Aug 2018 #163

I like Nadler's response better for sure. Lucky Luciano Aug 2018 #39

good for her, democrats running don't need to spend time answering JI7 Aug 2018 #41

That's correct, Ms. Pelosi. SergeStorms Aug 2018 #42

Smart woman, that. GOTV first. Hekate Aug 2018 #44

She's right with what we have now. inwiththenew Aug 2018 #47

She's right mcar Aug 2018 #48

A devils advocate argument LiberalLovinLug Aug 2018 #49

Jerrold Nadler isn't calling for impeachment either. What's your point, BeyondGeography? SunSeeker Aug 2018 #52

He brands Trump as a criminal BeyondGeography Aug 2018 #55

Oh bullshit. Pelosi does NOT "exonerate" Shitler. SunSeeker Aug 2018 #61

And you're overly invested BeyondGeography Aug 2018 #65

You're overly invested in bashing Pelosi. SunSeeker Aug 2018 #67

One step forward BeyondGeography Aug 2018 #68

She makes no "steps back." SunSeeker Aug 2018 #69

Since you went and looked up Jerrold Nadler's statement, why don't you do for Pelosi's statement? George II Aug 2018 #74

May I reccommend some courses in political science? yardwork Aug 2018 #147

Yep. Makes me wonder how anyone can still not understand.. Eliot Rosewater Aug 2018 #151

#facknews ! stonecutter357 Aug 2018 #154

With age and experience comes wisdom. Freethinker65 Aug 2018 #53

Agreed. Roadside Attraction Aug 2018 #54

This message was self-deleted by its author apnu Aug 2018 #57

"Ummm" I read Nadler's position. He's not suggesting impeachment, either. LanternWaste Aug 2018 #58

... BeyondGeography Aug 2018 #63

You're moving the goalposts. LanternWaste Aug 2018 #64

Drop "impeachment" chatter AND dissolving ICE.... Hulk Aug 2018 #59

Yes, sure losers, and even if they succeed, it's not helpful. JustABozoOnThisBus Aug 2018 #72

Sen. Elizabeth Warren also declined to call for impeachment proceedings... LanternWaste Aug 2018 #62

Pelosi's right awesomerwb1 Aug 2018 #66

Agreed the focus should be on tying Trump around the necks of every Repugnant like an anchor and let cstanleytech Aug 2018 #71

Follow up - Jerrold Nadler didn't say anything substantly different that what Pelosi said, and his.. George II Aug 2018 #73

Tell me what wasn't inept about saying we don't have enough right now to impeach Trump BeyondGeography Aug 2018 #77

Well, since you're referring back to your original characterization, why don't you tell me.... George II Aug 2018 #84

Pelosi did not say we "don't have enough right now to impeach Trump." SunSeeker Aug 2018 #88

Pelosi is smart enough to know what TO say, and what NOT TO say. I trust her. NurseJackie Aug 2018 #75

the usual antagonistic spin on Pelosi's statements.. JHan Aug 2018 #76

Yes it is. I wonder what Bernie had to say about it. NurseJackie Aug 2018 #79

in that case they'll say... JHan Aug 2018 #85

Here's Bernie's response. Like Pelosi, and Warren, no call for impeachment. SunSeeker Aug 2018 #91

So why is Pelosi being attacked on this? NurseJackie Aug 2018 #92

All good questions, NurseJackie! SunSeeker Aug 2018 #105

Nancy Pelosi... MontanaMama Aug 2018 #78

Impeachment is not viable unless you can get 67 senate votes Gothmog Aug 2018 #80

Still trying to win maxrandb Aug 2018 #81

+1 n/t Hotler Aug 2018 #145

Has ZIP to do with that, she is aware what will happen if impeachment is an issue right now, today Eliot Rosewater Aug 2018 #152

Politics... Mike Nelson Aug 2018 #90

Nadler is calling for a lot of stuff, all good. Not impeachment though. Eliot Rosewater Aug 2018 #93

I agree with Rep. Jefferies-we need to run against the cover up caucus Gothmog Aug 2018 #94

Pelosi is out of touch and about a year behind the curve... JCMach1 Aug 2018 #96

No, Nancy isn't "out of touch".. many people on this Cha Aug 2018 #124

I supported her in the recent past, so not a light decision JCMach1 Aug 2018 #125

I think your idea of the base, and mine, are very different GulfCoast66 Aug 2018 #164

It's weird that removing the greatest threat to the country is a low priority. Gore1FL Aug 2018 #101

How about this BlueWI Aug 2018 #102

Nancy Pelosi knows what she is doing. I support her wholeheartedly. She knows that the GOP skylucy Aug 2018 #103

Unless it's "off the table" then too. Gore1FL Aug 2018 #111

Trump is a russian asset. orangecrush Aug 2018 #104

We need congress. joshcryer Aug 2018 #106

So Impeachment is off the table yet again? Farmer-Rick Aug 2018 #107

Democrats are afraid to do the right thing. Gore1FL Aug 2018 #112

In contrast the GOP openly ran on impeaching Hillary. CentralMass Aug 2018 #131

wait until Mueller releases his report on the entire thing lapfog_1 Aug 2018 #109

If he is guilty as hell, then it's not too early. Gore1FL Aug 2018 #113

because Mueller hasn't released his report or indicted Trump... lapfog_1 Aug 2018 #114

Are we really afraid of the Trump base that much? Gore1FL Aug 2018 #115

anything we can do to suppress the trump base turnout lapfog_1 Aug 2018 #116

I have to think the majority of us are patriots. Gore1FL Aug 2018 #117

Clearly that statement isn't true for something like 60,000,000 people that voted lapfog_1 Aug 2018 #118

I would hope that some have learned. Gore1FL Aug 2018 #120

Can we please just learn how to message? meadowlander Aug 2018 #119

But we have quite enough to be hella suspicious JCMach1 Aug 2018 #126

That too. meadowlander Aug 2018 #127

That won't work with the die hards who hate her - and I'm talking Democrats. (nt) ehrnst Aug 2018 #134

All legitimate criticism is not reflective of hatred and the parade of -isms that tends to accompany BeyondGeography Aug 2018 #135

Well good, because 1. It's not possible right now and 2. ehrnst Aug 2018 #132

From Nancy Pelosi Gothmog Aug 2018 #136

Whoever wrote that tweet did a good job, but it's missing a key word BeyondGeography Aug 2018 #138

The GOP culture of corruption is an issue that Democrats can win on Gothmog Aug 2018 #139

Here are 5 ways House Democrats can destroy Trump -- even if they can't get the Senate to impeach hi Gothmog Aug 2018 #140

Exactly - I want to see him squirm Retrograde Aug 2018 #150

There is a party talking a lot about the impeachment of President Trump--the GOP. Gothmog Aug 2018 #141

Opinion: Putin Appears To Be Attacking Nancy Pelosi And Some Progressives Are Falling For It Gothmog Aug 2018 #142

Stop kicking this thread with nonsense BeyondGeography Aug 2018 #143

Putin attacking Nancy Pelosi is not nonsense Gothmog Aug 2018 #144

And we are seeing here a lot. I guess that is the way it is gonna be, here. Eliot Rosewater Aug 2018 #153

Russia is pushing these attacks on Nancy Pelosi Gothmog Aug 2018 #156

Thank you for posting this. I think that some of our fellow DUers are being taken in. yardwork Aug 2018 #148

The Minority Party doesn't have the votes, unless it becomes the Majority. So GOTV, complainers,... Hekate Aug 2018 #146

Very smart tactical move jmowreader Aug 2018 #149

I agree with Pelosi's approach matt819 Aug 2018 #155

She is never big on impeachment, but then she requires treestar Aug 2018 #157

Wise move to not energize the radical right delisen Aug 2018 #160

The GOP is circulating a list of investigations that they are afraid of Gothmog Aug 2018 #161