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105. Cherokee elder can only speak for his tribe

Tue Oct 16, 2018, 11:24 AM

Oct 2018

but not for all of the others. Each tribe can have one or many spokesman and can accept as native American who they want to.

Moreover, what the spokesman may or may not understand is that using DNA and then heritage sites to compare distant cousins, it should be possible to track down a person's actual ancestor in many cases (just like the Golden State killer was caught because of his 3rd and 4th cousins' DNA). But even if science proves that a person, such was Warren, has a named ancestor or relative on the Dawes final rolls, will the Cherokees still deny him/her? Perhaps, because there will be too many new additions to the official tribe. This is a scenario that will come up frequently in the future as more and more people get tested and put their DNA on heritage sites.

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Cherokee Nation: Warren's use of DNA test 'inappropriate,' 'wrong' [View all] Jose Garcia Oct 2018 OP

Whether the Cherokee Nation accepts DNA test results as an indicator of whether someone Squinch Oct 2018 #1

Their interest is maintaining control of tribal census grantcart Oct 2018 #46

Tell that to the legal black freemen members they kicked off the rolls obamanut2012 Oct 2018 #70

I thought the same. sfwriter Oct 2018 #83

That was my point grantcart Oct 2018 #84

+1 Blue_Tires Oct 2018 #141

follow the money..if a cheek swab can get me annual gambling proceeds...hell yes swab away dembotoz Oct 2018 #152

I don't think Warren plans to claim anything other than some distant ancestry yurbud Oct 2018 #120

The DNA test does not prove her ancestry is Cherokee Lithos Oct 2018 #130

Did she ever say that the test did sat that? Well, no.So what is your point. Squinch Oct 2018 #138

Point is the Cherokee Elder is being a dick... Lithos Oct 2018 #145

OFFS. nt fantase56 Oct 2018 #2

+1000 janterry Oct 2018 #133

You got that right. NT Adrahil Oct 2018 #147

Wonder if the vote suppression is North Dakota is wrong too? agincourt Oct 2018 #3

Fuck this jackass named "Chuck Hoskins" Vinnie From Indy Oct 2018 #4

Seriously!! InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2018 #24

He's probably 1/32nd Cherokee or some such thing himself CountAllVotes Oct 2018 #154

Just saw this guy on CNN earlier ... NanceGreggs Oct 2018 #5

Of course that is the real story, but not one that The Hill would push because that would not dis or still_one Oct 2018 #7

He is a tribal Elder, Nance leftofcool Oct 2018 #26

Until Elizabeth Warren attempts to apply for Cherokee status he should STFU. LiberalFighter Oct 2018 #36

It's called science. She has a Native American ancestor. Coventina Oct 2018 #43

That's right. It was done to win a bet. Nothing more. The 1 million don ivan refuses to pay Crutchez_CuiBono Oct 2018 #103

This has nothing to do with what they think. NanceGreggs Oct 2018 #54

I found out about five years ago that along with being an American (born in Brooklyn 70 yrs ago).... George II Oct 2018 #97

Not quite the same thing. Ms. Toad Oct 2018 #142

That is not what it is at all obamanut2012 Oct 2018 #71

Under Cherokee law and tradition, does the dealer have to hit or stand on 16? jberryhill Oct 2018 #77

Ding! Ding! Ding! Raster Oct 2018 #81

Senator Warren HAS NOT tried to claim tribal status or benefits... Raster Oct 2018 #80

Then he should confine his concerns to the Cherokee nation. Her heritage traces back to the... George II Oct 2018 #94

This message was self-deleted by its author George II Oct 2018 #95

Seec46 above grantcart Oct 2018 #47

Doesn't matter. CNN got their outrage ratings. Oneironaut Oct 2018 #139

Two stories from The Hill to either dis or divide Democrats. The first one was that still_one Oct 2018 #6

Day by day The Hill is becoming more like Breitbart. George II Oct 2018 #10

That is true George, and it isn't just The Hill still_one Oct 2018 #13

She wasn't claiming to be a member of any nation. What does this guy have to say about.... George II Oct 2018 #8

Somebody please... Yellowdog88 Oct 2018 #9

Here you go: George II Oct 2018 #12

Sounds like somebody got paid. brush Oct 2018 #45

Wow, brother ... it's not like she's trying to license a casino, nor to get 'benefits' mr_lebowski Oct 2018 #11

One of two "chucks" that Ferrets are Cool Oct 2018 #14

Well said ... worth asking, does Mr. Hoskin have any comment on GOP Leader McCarthy's brother-in-law RHMerriman Oct 2018 #15

making her somewhere between 1/32nd and 1/1,024th American Indian left-of-center2012 Oct 2018 #16

Uh, yeah .... quite divisive.... alittlelark Oct 2018 #17

Perhaps they could muster outrage for Amimnoch Oct 2018 #18

About 'The Hill', from the Media Bias website left-of-center2012 Oct 2018 #19

You're certainly doing your part to see this one stuck to walls. LanternWaste Oct 2018 #122

Correcting misconceptions that the Hill is like Breibart left-of-center2012 Oct 2018 #144

Apology to the Cherokee... Mike Nelson Oct 2018 #20

By the Cherokee's rules there is a chance she could be listed on the tribe's membership rolls Bradshaw3 Oct 2018 #21

This is what Republicans want everyone to talk about instead of ooky Oct 2018 #57

Mexicans show as Native Americans also nini Oct 2018 #22

Then you must know some enlightened Mexicans. a la izquierda Oct 2018 #72

Lol, she isn't laying claim to be an Cherokee...only claim is ancestry... beachbum bob Oct 2018 #23

Exactly WhoWoodaKnew Oct 2018 #132

As much as I love Liz, I agree with my Elders on this leftofcool Oct 2018 #25

she is not claiming to be descended from the someone on the Dawes rolls is she? delisen Oct 2018 #32

She is free to do as she likes. leftofcool Oct 2018 #35

so be it. delisen Oct 2018 #40

I suppose he was not dishonored LiberalFighter Oct 2018 #42

My grandmother is half Native American. She doesn't mind and neither do I. brush Oct 2018 #48

Elders? True Blue American Oct 2018 #59

Not exactly leftofcool Oct 2018 #60

The only two native American Congressional Reps are Republicans from Oklahoma jberryhill Oct 2018 #87

Thank you. True Blue American Oct 2018 #93

People are also free to feel that two plus two equals twenty-two. LanternWaste Oct 2018 #123

Was there anything in her statement in which she was claiming to that degree? No! LiberalFighter Oct 2018 #34

Why is this issue even humbled_opinion Oct 2018 #27

I'm Generally Pretty Pro-Native American, But I Call BS Here! DoctorJoJo Oct 2018 #28

Seriously? leftofcool Oct 2018 #29

Do not be shocked. EllieBC Oct 2018 #91

Jesus Fucking Christ. Take this shit elsewhere. nt LexVegas Oct 2018 #33

wow catsudon Oct 2018 #39

Chuck Hoskin Jr is off base. LiberalFighter Oct 2018 #30

He is an Elder, you have no right or authority to question. leftofcool Oct 2018 #31

I have a right to challenge when his authority exceeds his jurisdiciton. LiberalFighter Oct 2018 #38

Warren is a US senator jberryhill Oct 2018 #79

Read Your Own Post Title ProfessorGAC Oct 2018 #82

What specifically leads you to that conclusion? LanternWaste Oct 2018 #126

Pretty damn arrogant, some of us found out about our NA heritage ONLY from research JCMach1 Oct 2018 #37

It's a sad day when DUers are slamming a tribal elder about tribal customs and laws Kaleva Oct 2018 #41

+1. nt LexVegas Oct 2018 #44

lol this has zero to do with tribal customs or Elizabeth Warren grantcart Oct 2018 #50

Living near two reservations, IMHO, I think it best to stay out of this. Kaleva Oct 2018 #109

Other than telling white people what to say, you're doing a splendid job of staying out of it. LanternWaste Oct 2018 #128

Everyone has the right to know their genetic history shellyleit Oct 2018 #53

It's a sad day when a Tribal Elder buys into Trump's latest Birther smear, & I mean that. Hekate Oct 2018 #58

+ 1 leftofcool Oct 2018 #61

It's a sad day when we give a shit about red-state local politicians' opinions jberryhill Oct 2018 #78

Nbody here is arguing that the Oklahoma Cherokees are a liberal voting block Kaleva Oct 2018 #104

Yeah, and Rep. Markwayne Mullin is a Cherokee elected official too jberryhill Oct 2018 #108

And what does that have to do with what Cherokee SOS Chuck Hoskin Jr. said? Kaleva Oct 2018 #110

What Hoskin Jr. said is bullshit jberryhill Oct 2018 #112

Being white, it's not for me to judge what they think is important or not. Kaleva Oct 2018 #116

Being human, I can smell political bullshit when it is nearby jberryhill Oct 2018 #117

The enemy is Trump and not leaders of the Cherokee Nation. Kaleva Oct 2018 #119

When they side with Trump they become my enemy. Coventina Oct 2018 #121

Cherokee Nation Secretary of State Chuck Hoskin Jr. also criticized Trump Kaleva Oct 2018 #124

I'm basing that on what I've learned about him on this thread. Coventina Oct 2018 #127

You'd probably not like Hillary if you based your opinion on her by what DUers said back in 2008 Kaleva Oct 2018 #149

I did read the full article. Didn't change my opinion of him. N/T Coventina Oct 2018 #150

It happens all the time. EllieBC Oct 2018 #92

Except none of that is happening. But nice try. Squinch Oct 2018 #101

There's several posts here doing such. Kaleva Oct 2018 #106

That is not called for. treestar Oct 2018 #146

sorry but they're wrong Demonaut Oct 2018 #49

This whole thing is ridiculous RandySF Oct 2018 #51

She didn't do it for them shellyleit Oct 2018 #52

Oh FFS I am sick of this. She never claimed tribal status and has lived her life as a white woman... Hekate Oct 2018 #55

I miss Wilma Mankiller. nt DURHAM D Oct 2018 #56

I do too! leftofcool Oct 2018 #62

It feels like this tribal leader doesn't udnerstnad the context in which Warren's claimed heritage JCanete Oct 2018 #63

I wonder too if he is missing out on the context JonLP24 Oct 2018 #66

Oh, I think he understands maxrandb Oct 2018 #74

The check cleared jberryhill Oct 2018 #85

Warren is NOT "using a DNA test to claim connection with a tribal nation." SunSeeker Oct 2018 #64

She can't win no matter what she does on this issue JonLP24 Oct 2018 #65

Why now??? Voices Of Reason Oct 2018 #67

Warren is running for reelection to the Senate. RandiFan1290 Oct 2018 #73

The Republicans think they have something detrimental about her that will stick. YOHABLO Oct 2018 #68

One of the very Native groups that tend to vote straight R obamanut2012 Oct 2018 #69

Totally DURHAM D Oct 2018 #75

+1 CountAllVotes Oct 2018 #115

It is the right wing Republicons who keep bringing it up. raging moderate Oct 2018 #76

I would expect this kind of reaction blue-wave Oct 2018 #86

Well, duh, the only Native Americans in Congress are Oklahoma Republican Trump Humpers jberryhill Oct 2018 #88

Go Figure blue-wave Oct 2018 #89

Not really a good try there. Kingofalldems Oct 2018 #90

Honest question - why/in what context did she bring this up in the first place, and why is it of any Kashkakat v.2.0 Oct 2018 #96

PINO Said She Was Lying About Her Family History ProfessorGAC Oct 2018 #98

Yes I know that - I mean why was her family history and 1 distant relative Kashkakat v.2.0 Oct 2018 #111

You seem to have walked into the middle of the movie, demanding to know what is going on jberryhill Oct 2018 #113

She Brought It Up Once Before As A Statement of Pride ProfessorGAC Oct 2018 #114

Bad call, Cherokee Nation. Paladin Oct 2018 #99

fyi - white people expropriating or exploiting native Am culture/spirituality is a thing - ranging Kashkakat v.2.0 Oct 2018 #100

I wonder if it is a Cherokee nation repuke group putting this out this statement? kimbutgar Oct 2018 #102

Oklahoma is as red a state as they come jberryhill Oct 2018 #107

Cherokee elder can only speak for his tribe andym Oct 2018 #105

Bet there's a HELL of a lot more behind this guy........ Bengus81 Oct 2018 #118

Very disappointed the Cherokee Nation chooses to disregard the content BlancheSplanchnik Oct 2018 #125

Exactly! Well said! mountain grammy Oct 2018 #134

💙 BlancheSplanchnik Oct 2018 #140

It's hard for me to understand where they're coming from on this. mountain grammy Oct 2018 #151

Divisive bee ess tenderfoot Oct 2018 #129

When are the The Wizard Oct 2018 #131

Speaking as a card carrying member of the Cherokee tribe Runningdawg Oct 2018 #135

Grr, thanks a fucking lot. lark Oct 2018 #136

By attacking Warren, they're giving Trump permission to use "Pocahontas" mainer Oct 2018 #137

My wife has substantial Native American heritage... hunter Oct 2018 #143

I know maybe 5 or 6 individuals that have paid out bucks for these type tests. ileus Oct 2018 #148

Trump taunted her and she bit GatoGordo Oct 2018 #153