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SunSeeker

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4. Inaccurate headline. The father wants an investigation & her cause of death determined.
Sun Dec 16, 2018, 09:46 AM
Dec 2018

Last edited Sun Dec 16, 2018, 11:24 AM - Edit history (1)

As stated in the article itself:

Caal did not speak to the media Saturday, but in a statement issued by his lawyers, he said he was "grateful for the many first responders that tried to save young Jakelin's life in New Mexico and Texas."

Still, his lawyers called for an investigation that "will assess this incident within nationally recognized standards for the arrest and custody of children. The family intends to assist in such an investigation into the cause and circumstances of Jakelin's death."

The lawyers, Enrique Moreno and Elena Esparza, also criticized border authorities for asking Caal to sign a form written in English about the state of his daughter's health not long after they arrived at the border, when she showed no problems.

But he speaks no English, the lawyers said. He speaks Q'eqchi', a Mayan language used in Guatemala, and Spanish is his second language.

"It is unacceptable for any government agency to have persons in custody sign documents in a language that they clearly do not understand," the statement said.


So obviously, contrary to the consul's statement, the father does have complaints about the way CBP treated them and wants an investigation. The consul may have misunderstood the father, since the father speaks an indigenous language.

No one is disputing the girl had a 105.7 fever.

CBP should have checked her health when they took her into custody. Sure seems, based on the facts, there was a delay in calling EMTs. The EMTs were not called when the father alerted CBP that his daughter was vomiting, before they loaded them on the bus.

From the article:

Nearly eight hours after they were detained, Jakelin and her father were loaded onto a bus bound for the Border Patrol station in Lordsburg, New Mexico, the CBP said.

Before leaving, her father told agents his daughter was sick and vomiting, the CBP said. An agent notified the station that the child would need emergency medical care.


There is no indication CBP actually checked her temperature nor offered her food or water upon apprehension. Instead, CBP made the father sign a statement that she was in good health, a statement written in a language he could not understand.

So please explain, Jedi Guy, why you feel compelled to defend the CBP and mock the rest of us who are raising legitimate criticisms by accusing us of playing the "blame game."

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Welcome to DU. Actually there is no evidence of anything, just facts and a child's remains ... marble falls Dec 2018 #11
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The fact that other countries are more violent does John Fante Dec 2018 #31
27.26 out of 100,000 is pretty good odds. EX500rider Dec 2018 #32
Exactly! laserhaas Dec 2018 #50
The problem is that our entire response to this crisis is inadequate. yardwork Dec 2018 #3
Inaccurate headline. The father wants an investigation & her cause of death determined. SunSeeker Dec 2018 #4
Oh give me a break. Jedi Guy Dec 2018 #9
He still has more family to take care of who are still alive. nt fleabiscuit Dec 2018 #14
This is a discussion board. If you're bothered by that, go elsewhere. SunSeeker Dec 2018 #15
Nah, I think I'll stay, thanks. Jedi Guy Dec 2018 #22
And you're welcome to skip my posts. SunSeeker Dec 2018 #27
Yes what is up with Jedi Guy pushing the rightwing pro-Trump line? sharedvalues Dec 2018 #29
Oh for fuck's sake, knock it off. Jedi Guy Dec 2018 #34
Thou doth protest too much, methinks. SunSeeker Dec 2018 #66
Annnnnnnnnnnnnnd there you go again, twisting and smearing away. Jedi Guy Dec 2018 #67
Uh huh. You mad. SunSeeker Dec 2018 #70
Not particularly, no. Why would I be? Jedi Guy Dec 2018 #71
LOL SunSeeker Dec 2018 #79
Yep, you got me, SunSeeker! Jedi Guy Dec 2018 #80
LOL Speaking of "delusions of your own importance," here, let me quote you: SunSeeker Dec 2018 #81
Post removed Post removed Dec 2018 #82
I'm flinging your own quotes. SunSeeker Dec 2018 #83
When the facts are in, if it is determined CBP was indeed negligent, I'll be happy to condemn them. Jedi Guy Dec 2018 #33
We have facts we can comment on now. You are just ignoring them. SunSeeker Dec 2018 #37
My entire point is that commenting and forming conclusions is premature. Jedi Guy Dec 2018 #40
Yet you conclude in the OP that CBP "did the best they could." SunSeeker Dec 2018 #49
Your emphasis there missed two key words: sounds like. Jedi Guy Dec 2018 #52
That is just silly. We have a right to comment on CBP just like you did. SunSeeker Dec 2018 #58
If you say so, SunSeeker. Jedi Guy Dec 2018 #60
I see you're resorting to sophistry. SunSeeker Dec 2018 #68
I see that you don't know what either of those words means. Jedi Guy Dec 2018 #76
LOL Project away. nt SunSeeker Dec 2018 #78
Jedi Guy: Your post is filled with rightwing talking points sharedvalues Dec 2018 #28
Is it really? Which ones are those, exactly? Jedi Guy Dec 2018 #35
You describe yourself as the self-appointed opinion police of progressive opinion on this site. SunSeeker Dec 2018 #38
LOL, you're a stitch, SunSeeker. Jedi Guy Dec 2018 #41
I see you think you are the only one who can decide when the "full facts" have emerged. SunSeeker Dec 2018 #44
If you're going to quote me, at least get it right. Jedi Guy Dec 2018 #46
You are projecting and being hypocritical. SunSeeker Dec 2018 #53
And there you go again, misrepresenting and twisting. Jedi Guy Dec 2018 #55
I see you are the typo police too. nt SunSeeker Dec 2018 #59
Yeah, I get paid double for catching typos. Jedi Guy Dec 2018 #61
I respect DU readers sharedvalues Dec 2018 #73
Nah, it doesn't work that way. Jedi Guy Dec 2018 #75
Much easier to push a narrative while cowering behind implication. LanternWaste Dec 2018 #84
You undeniably echo rightwing talking points sharedvalues Dec 2018 #85
Maybe if they had just granted her a temporary protected status and helped her family ... marble falls Dec 2018 #6
Still on your watch. Corgigal Dec 2018 #12
Hmmm. An incarcerated father, in a position of total weakness, says his incarcerators... Honeycombe8 Dec 2018 #16
He was speaking to personnel from his country's consulate. He has no reason to lie to them. Jedi Guy Dec 2018 #23
To be fair, it's what was reported that got people upset. Honeycombe8 Dec 2018 #24
I didn't say everyone wants someone innocent to hang. Jedi Guy Dec 2018 #25
He was imprisoned. And your headline jumps to conclusions. sharedvalues Dec 2018 #30
So because he was imprisoned, it follows logically that he lied to an official from his consulate? Jedi Guy Dec 2018 #36
He is not free to leave. He is trying to get asylum. SunSeeker Dec 2018 #39
It's starting to become clear now, I think. Jedi Guy Dec 2018 #42
Most likely, the same one alleging... LanternWaste Dec 2018 #43
Was wondering when you'd show up, old friend. Jedi Guy Dec 2018 #47
Your attack on DUers is gratuitous. SunSeeker Dec 2018 #45
I'm sorry you think that an observation about people playing the Blame Game is "gratuitous." Jedi Guy Dec 2018 #48
I accept that your opinion is different. You are the one who can't accept others' opinions. SunSeeker Dec 2018 #51
I can absolutely accept that others' opinions differ, and I can absolutely comment on them. Jedi Guy Dec 2018 #54
You are the one getting "worked up" by people pointing out how wrong and hypocritical you are. SunSeeker Dec 2018 #62
If you say so, SunSeeker. Jedi Guy Dec 2018 #63
Yes, you are. SunSeeker Dec 2018 #69
Yes. He was imprisoned, so this is coercive. sharedvalues Dec 2018 #72
The inmates the Red Cross interviewed at Theredienstadt dflprincess Dec 2018 #18
Disgusting, ignorant, and offensive comment oberliner Dec 2018 #19
Maybe calling it a concetration camp is too much for you, but the Tornillo camp in Texas is evil. SunSeeker Dec 2018 #20
Why? dpibel Dec 2018 #26
Is he still in custody? Squinch Dec 2018 #56
Per the article, he's at a migrant shelter in El Paso called Annunciation House. Jedi Guy Dec 2018 #57
But he's still a guy in a very vulnerable position whose arm could easily be twisted. Squinch Dec 2018 #64
I'd agree with you but for one fact. Jedi Guy Dec 2018 #65
Absolutely. Coercive situation. He's jailed sharedvalues Dec 2018 #74
Will the Bush WH learn from this? Ridiculous that the people in power applegrove Dec 2018 #77
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