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LiberalLovinLug

(14,154 posts)
13. BS
Mon Dec 17, 2018, 02:36 PM
Dec 2018

Why not throw in Bernie Sanders and the BLM movement too then?

How does that sound? "Black Lives Matter was as much of a traitor as Trump, Flynn and Manafort"

Don't you think that the less complicated explanation is probably the most probable? That Putin simply wanted to create chaos, and worked to "help" any other party or person that would take votes away from the Democrats and Hillary, or to sow division between those groups?

Because the anti-Stein sentiment in here is so shrill at times I gotta wear ear plugs. Its embarrassing actually. And further it is proof of how easy it was and still is for Putin to shape opinion even on the supposedly more educated left.

I can understand some grumbling about the 1% of the vote she scooped up, voters who mostly would not vote for either major party anyways, but I wish some would find reality soon. Its a free democracy. One of the "costs" of living in a free democracy, is that anyone and any party can run for office, if they have raised enough, and have enough candidates that believe in the message, to run.

If Stein and the Green Party, a party that is respected around the globe for standing up for the environment and other more liberal causes, sees there are still issues that they think the Democratic, or Republican party for that matter, are not addressing satisfactorly for them, and think there are enough voters that will at least help elevate their platform, even if they know they can't win, then that is their right.

I know we'd rather they not run. But then again, I'm sure the Republican party wishes that the Libertarian party didn't run either. Pretty safe to say that most Libertarians would lean Republican if they had to choose. And they took 3x the votes away potentially from Republicans! But its a democracy people. The way to fight back the Greens is to address the same issues...better. Or convince enough that your party can do it better. WHICH DEMOCRATS HAVE DONE! That's why Greens only get 1%.

The idea that Stein is some kind of secret Putin lover, a man that is fundamentally against every principle and platform of the Green party is utterly absurd. And I think that those that promote that insane theory are only hurting themselves and demeaning the Democratic voter. Dem voters aren't stupid. The vast majority would say that the Green's have a good platform, much of which mirrors the Democrats, but that this is not the time to help a more left leaning third party to rise and grow legs, because of the massive threat on the right that has to be stopped. That is reality.

Putin's goal was not for Trump to win. DetlefK Dec 2018 #1
LOL! ChiTownDenny Dec 2018 #6
Shirley you're jesting..... erronis Dec 2018 #20
Yes. ChiTownDenny Dec 2018 #22
The intelligence assessment stay remains accurate. Igel Dec 2018 #47
goals change with circumstances qazplm135 Dec 2018 #52
Kick dalton99a Dec 2018 #2
It wasn't just pro Stein, watoos Dec 2018 #3
+1 Power 2 the People Dec 2018 #4
Stein was an active participant, Bernie wasn't louis c Dec 2018 #5
Yes... only reason Putin helped Bernie was because his name wasn't Hillary groundloop Dec 2018 #7
You may be right, and it certainly looks that way, watoos Dec 2018 #8
I think the powers know. There was this.. LakeArenal Dec 2018 #12
Useful! Idiot Maybe? MiddleClass Dec 2018 #28
BS LiberalLovinLug Dec 2018 #13
Post removed Post removed Dec 2018 #14
.. progree Dec 2018 #18
Good call! marble falls Dec 2018 #23
Thanks progree Dec 2018 #36
He was being watched every inch of the way. marble falls Dec 2018 #44
No black lives matter members were at the dinner with Putin and Flynn louis c Dec 2018 #19
la la land LiberalLovinLug Dec 2018 #34
With all due respect... louis c Dec 2018 #38
Thank You! Cha Dec 2018 #42
Oh, and here I was trying to prevent you from embarrasing yourself LiberalLovinLug Dec 2018 #49
Ya, I noticed a lot of DUers just jumping at the chance of supporting your position louis c Dec 2018 #55
You come to DU to "exchange ideas"? and then proceed to block someone who exchanges different ideas LiberalLovinLug Dec 2018 #56
By defending the Lying Ratfucker, 3rd party jill stein, you Cha Dec 2018 #60
Flynn doesn't speak Russian, Don Jr doesn't speak Russian. RT is not respected by anyone on DU ... marble falls Dec 2018 #45
Well I didn't say "Jill Stein doesn't speak Russian", although I fail to see the humor. LiberalLovinLug Dec 2018 #50
Oh, and by the way, the Green Party has accomplished only 2 things in America... louis c Dec 2018 #21
while I think your comments are spot on, miniimizing the success of Russia's action MiddleClass Dec 2018 #32
My intent was not to minimize the success of Russia's actions LiberalLovinLug Dec 2018 #33
sorry, I first wrote this statement as Jill Stein's success, MiddleClass Dec 2018 #35
NYT reporting Russians targeted African Americans noiretextatique Dec 2018 #9
Heck, David Brock did as much divisive damage than any Russians could dream up. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2018 #17
Why wouldn't you want people to correct the record and debunk Russian propaganda about the betsuni Dec 2018 #40
you're WRONG. David Brock and Media Matters Cha Dec 2018 #43
Yeah, that's why David Brock felt compelled to apologize for his shitty behavior. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2018 #48
That's over and done with a long time ago.. he & MediaMatters have more than Cha Dec 2018 #54
Lol. Every subject in this thread is over and done with Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2018 #57
jill stein is still the fucking idiot Cha Dec 2018 #58
. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2018 #59
I was reporting this about the Detroit and how Trump 1.Won Michigan 2.Won Pennsylvania MiddleClass Dec 2018 #26
Pro-Bernie brigade you mean. betsuni Dec 2018 #39
K & R SunSeeker Dec 2018 #10
Stein pretended to be above it all Moebym Dec 2018 #11
Fuck Jill Stein. tinrobot Dec 2018 #15
Just one ignorant tool.... Hulk Dec 2018 #16
Just being on twitter during this time, most came to this conclusion already. riversedge Dec 2018 #24
What is "New Knowledge"? JackRiddler Dec 2018 #25
researching exactly what, MiddleClass Dec 2018 #27
K&R Scurrilous Dec 2018 #29
No surprise there. Jill Stein was never on our side. MineralMan Dec 2018 #30
It looks like they acted as a megaphone for extreme versions of all grassroots groups or karynnj Dec 2018 #31
Keep digging and I bet there were anti-Jill Stein messages from similar sources. mpcamb Dec 2018 #37
The green party's always been an asset to Republicans. Rizen Dec 2018 #41
And often enough the recipiants of GOP campaigning funds. marble falls Dec 2018 #46
Right. This is among the biggest no-news news of the year. :) Hortensis Dec 2018 #51
I'm not even remotely surprised by this. (nt) Paladin Dec 2018 #53
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