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cab67

(2,992 posts)
9. This is a mixed bag.
Tue May 12, 2020, 07:01 PM
May 2020

I teach at a public university (albeit not in California). Switching to online-only might be fatal to many such institutions, especially those (including mine) that rely on revenue from out-of-state students who pay higher tuition. Why would a parent pay out-of-state tuition if their kid is at home? A lot of public institutions are going to close because of this.

(I suppose the appropriate answer is "so why should universities avoid what's hitting the rest of the economy?" I have no real answer to that, except that public universities can't rely on endowments to the same degree as most private institutions, and it's the public universities that serve the majority of students who can't afford private colleges or universities. This includes community colleges - a real gift America gave to the concept of higher education. So if we go, the disparity between who can afford higher education and who can't will get a lot worse than it already is. The notion that this will save students money is only true in the very shortest of terms.)

This really is going to be a rough thing to work through. A complete return to in-person instruction across the board is obviously not an option; this pandemic isn't over. But I can say now with direct personal experience that the online experience is not always equivalent to being in a classroom. Some programs require field courses, internships, or other experiences that can't adequately be replicated in a virtual environment. (Mine is one such program.). Anyone who claims anything can be taught online is either misinformed or thinking unrealistically.

I'm on my college's executive committee. We discussed budget models this morning. I would actually contract COVID than announce the kind of cuts we're facing, depending on how much state appropriations drop. And they'll drop.

For this reason, some programs are going to have to include some level of in-person instruction this fall. My own institution is looking at hybrid arrangements that would include a mix of in-person and virtual instruction. We're also looking at modifying the physical infrastructure to minimize reliance on central air systems (e.g. allowing us to open windows again, after a long streak of renovating buildings with fixed-in-place windows), limiting class size, limiting the dorm population, and requiring other actions to help keep this thing from spreading.

I don't know what the future holds. I almost don't want to know.

Califonia, leading the nation in sanity hibbing May 2020 #1
Besides health, this is going to save students a lot of money jimfields33 May 2020 #6
although many of those of are mostly commuter campuses pstokely May 2020 #8
see my comment below. cab67 May 2020 #10
I'm only taking one or two online class if my campus is shutdown this fall. Neoma May 2020 #20
But does it cost less right now since it's online ? Wouldn't it be better JI7 May 2020 #21
I am not willingly paying for online classes. Neoma May 2020 #26
My son is at a CSU luxmatic May 2020 #22
This is only the beginning. madaboutharry May 2020 #2
The TX Education Agency released some advice. Igel May 2020 #3
Wow. Will change college forever and slow the economy during the pandemic bucolic_frolic May 2020 #4
Acknowledging reality not fooled May 2020 #5
Nothing from the UC's yet B Stieg May 2020 #7
This is a mixed bag. cab67 May 2020 #9
what are their plans for fall? pstokely May 2020 #13
It's a work in progress. cab67 May 2020 #15
It's the right decision in light of the pandemic. Politicub May 2020 #11
many of the Cal State campuses are mostly commuter students pstokely May 2020 #12
in most cases, yes - but.... cab67 May 2020 #16
I took some community college classes while in high school Politicub May 2020 #18
I'm glad to hear this announcement now, rather than in August. mike_c May 2020 #14
Probably going to be a lot of faculty being let go. MichMan May 2020 #17
also loss of many students pstokely May 2020 #19
I'm not transfering until there's a vaccine. Initech May 2020 #24
This virus has just wrecked us. Initech May 2020 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author Jake Stern May 2020 #25
Well that is disappointing genxlib May 2020 #27
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