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catsudon

(839 posts)
21. i did not know about
Wed Jul 22, 2020, 10:56 AM
Jul 2020

woodrow wilson until i read about it last night wow....

This is a great example of how we conceptualize our heroes.

There seems to be some basic desire to have our heroes be flawless in all dimensions. Which is completely unreasonable. Heroes, no matter how we memorialize them, are human. No human is entirely bad or entirely good. They are very often products of their time and upbringing.

Lately, its been fashionable to denounce historical figures who are flawed, and to demand that we eliminate their memorials, whether real or virtual. But they are all flawed, from the most narcissistic plutocrat down to the boy scout who helps old ladies cross the street.

Margaret Sanger did much that deserves the acclaim of history. She also had her flaws. Bill Gates was a rapacious capitalist, and then eventually matured into the worlds greatest philanthropist. Fritz Haber enthusiastically developed poison gases used during WW1 and the holocaust, yet also developed the chemical process for fixing nitrogen, which a vast proportion of our food supply depends on.

The list could go on for hundreds of entries.

I don't really care whether we either erect or tear down statues of these people, but I think we should consider very carefully what heroism really means in the context of history. The way we do that says as much about us as about them.

This message was self-deleted by its author denem Jul 2020 #1
Good for them Lulu KC Jul 2020 #2
i thought this Eugenics was a star trek and other scifi thing. AllaN01Bear Jul 2020 #3
Someone posted the other day "Who knew that our history books were fan fiction?" catrose Jul 2020 #12
K&R n/t ChazII Jul 2020 #4
so I guess they did a reseach on her catsudon Jul 2020 #5
They defended her for years. Igel Jul 2020 #6
?????? musette_sf Jul 2020 #9
from your link catsudon Jul 2020 #13
I disagree with the attacks on Sanger CatLady78 Jul 2020 #15
I don't think PP has to do this at all. musette_sf Jul 2020 #29
I am glad you contacted them and made these points CatLady78 Jul 2020 #36
I am really curious how they reply to you obamanut2012 Jul 2020 #37
Good. mahina Jul 2020 #7
I disagree with the decision that Planned Parenthood has made. musette_sf Jul 2020 #8
She Was Dedicated RobinA Jul 2020 #10
The morality of racism of eugenics and racism are one and the same. denem Jul 2020 #11
She Had Some Views RobinA Jul 2020 #19
This is a great post CatLady78 Jul 2020 #20
I disagree with your assertion that musette_sf Jul 2020 #26
"Nowhere in Ms Sanger's writings or speeches does she state that "deprived people" denem Jul 2020 #34
I am with you - she was a product of her times CatLady78 Jul 2020 #14
I agree catsudon Jul 2020 #17
"she was a product of her times" denem Jul 2020 #18
i did not know about catsudon Jul 2020 #21
It is cultural borderline personality CatLady78 Jul 2020 #23
Ms Sanger never made any reference to "lower races". musette_sf Jul 2020 #27
Crazy time kelly97 Jul 2020 #16
It's like we're purging the past, and I think we're going too far, IMO. Calista241 Jul 2020 #22
Let me quote Margaret Sanger herself. denem Jul 2020 #24
Abortion at the turn of the 20th century was a brutal, unperfected, slap-dash process Calista241 Jul 2020 #28
Agreed, and thank you for your post. musette_sf Jul 2020 #30
Sanger, by her own account, regarded abortion as barbaric denem Jul 2020 #32
All they did was take her name off a building Yeehah Jul 2020 #25
Except she wasn't "bad". musette_sf Jul 2020 #31
Was eugenics bad? denem Jul 2020 #33
She was a good person mixed with some bad Yeehah Jul 2020 #35
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