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PETRUS

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30. Thanks for the reply.
Sat Sep 5, 2020, 03:06 PM
Sep 2020

I appreciate it.

Right now I can't watch the video, but I gather the point you're making here is that anarchism is an unrealistic proposition? If so, that's a criticism I understand (and basically agree with, although I have a response, which I'll get to).

What confuses me about your first reply was its gendered nature. I'm not anything like an expert on anarchism (I've read a few books and essays, that's all), but my impressions are that it's inherently feminist. Anarchism opposes social hierarchy and the domination of individuals and groups by other individuals and groups, and supports the dignity, autonomy, and the right of self-determination for all people (i.e., regardless of sex or gender), as I understand it. It seems you see it differently, and I'm still curious about that. I'm male, and if I have a blind spot on this issue, I'd just as soon address it.

Regarding the impracticality of anarchism: As I mentioned, I'm more or less in agreement, but I think that's missing the point. The best way I can think of to explain myself is to offer an analogy. I've come to regard anarchism similarly to the way I regard pacifism. Do people really believe a world free of violence and war is possible? From where I sit, that doesn't seem achievable. In fact, I'd say a world without violence is even more far-fetched than the idea of democracy without government. There are numerous examples of self-organizing communities that have persisted for generations without government (although not in within the context of an industrial civilization), whereas I'm not sure it would be nearly as easy to find examples of a place where violence was absent for a significant length of time. But efforts to minimize violence or prevent or end a war sometimes bear fruit, and I think there's value in pointing out that violence is wrong. Similarly, I think efforts to challenge social hierarchies and advance the moral principles of autonomy, voluntary association, self-organization, mutual aid, and democracy are worthwhile.

Thanks again! I hope you're having a good weekend.

An unfathomable loss mdelaguna Sep 2020 #1
An incredible polymath. This is the type of person the world needs more of. erronis Sep 2020 #2
Indeed CatLady78 Sep 2020 #5
.nt CatLady78 Sep 2020 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author mahina Sep 2020 #4
Very sad news. klook Sep 2020 #6
I quibbled slightly with "Bullshit Jobs" because I find duct tapers absolutely vital Warpy Sep 2020 #7
"I'd replace them with Cheerleaders: motivational speakers" BumRushDaShow Sep 2020 #10
I remember a party in the mid 70s Warpy Sep 2020 #12
Weird Al Yankovic summed it up nicely BumRushDaShow Sep 2020 #13
Excellent! burrowowl Sep 2020 #15
+1 Gonna watch this again, didn't know Al was attuned so well. appalachiablue Sep 2020 #17
Don't forget PR for say Facebook, Exxon etc. CatLady78 Sep 2020 #18
I kind of lumped PR flacks in with admen Warpy Sep 2020 #20
I think we should pay people to experiment with lifestyles having a small environmental footprint. hunter Sep 2020 #22
Valid points but consider the UBI would keep things small scale Warpy Sep 2020 #23
Graeber's work is brilliant and life-changing for so many of us greenjar_01 Sep 2020 #8
His "Fragments of an Anarchist Anthropology" looks like it is Stargleamer Sep 2020 #9
My son introduced me to Graeber's work. kag Sep 2020 #11
Sorry, I want to learn more about him & his work. appalachiablue Sep 2020 #14
I had a lot of respect for his intellect and his point of view. PETRUS Sep 2020 #16
Graeber looked familiar when I read the news, and appalachiablue Sep 2020 #29
Easy, free introduction... reACTIONary Sep 2020 #26
I just came across this video of him JonLP24 Sep 2020 #19
I read a little of his writing about anarchism and NO. betsuni Sep 2020 #21
+100 nt reACTIONary Sep 2020 #25
Hey PETRUS Sep 2020 #27
Graeber: "Anarchism is democracy without the government." betsuni Sep 2020 #28
Thanks for the reply. PETRUS Sep 2020 #30
The video is Larry David's George character in "Seinfeld" constantly berating people for not betsuni Sep 2020 #31
Well, I have no reason to argue with any of that. PETRUS Sep 2020 #32
Y A A... reACTIONary Sep 2020 #24
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