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James48

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Fri Oct 16, 2020, 11:22 PM Oct 2020

Sheriff: Ban On Open Carrying At Polls Not Enforceable [View all]

Source: WHMI News

“She just threw gas on an ember”.

Sheriff Murphy: Ban On Open Carrying At Polls Not Enforceable

By Jessica Mathews, news@whmi.com


—Howell, Michigan. Livingston County Sheriff Mike Murphy maintains a recent ban issued on the open carrying of firearms at voting locations is unenforceable.

Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson issued direction Friday to local election clerks statewide clarifying that the open carry of firearms on Election Day in polling places, clerk’s offices, and absent voter counting boards is prohibited on Election Day, November 3rd. Some elections officials and voter rights experts nationwide are concerned about violence at the polls. Benson said prohibiting the open-carry of firearms in areas where citizens cast their ballots is necessary to ensure every voter is protected. A press release states Attorney General Dana Nessel and Michigan State Police Director Col. Joe Gasper have joined with Secretary Benson in preparations to ensure Michigan voters are safe and secure when voting by informing local law enforcement agencies and ensuring that the ban on openly carried firearms is enforced statewide.

However, Sheriff Murphy maintains there is no enforcement to take because nothing is actually against the law – calling it a ludicrous statement because there’s no teeth behind it. Murphy said there is no law prohibiting open carry so therefore because there’s the absence of law, it makes it legal. He noted that businesses still have the ability to prohibit people from open carrying because it’s private property but on Election Day, polling locations are considered open to the public. Murphy added that in Livingston County, you can only vote in polls where you live so he thinks the potential for outside agitators is slim to none. He said if there are going to be some people causing agitation; they’ll probably do it in their own backyard where they have a legitimate right to be so he doesn’t particularly see it as being a problem on Election Day.

Murphy said he’s a little disappointed that Benson came out with this two weeks before the election, adding there was no consultation with any local law enforcement that’s he aware of – just the Attorney General and Michigan State Police. Murphy stressed that nobody wants anything other than a safe and secure voting day but told WHMI that by Benson issuing a ban on open carrying when she has no legal authority to do so, he thinks it will just result in pushback. Murphy believes the order will just cause more issues than it was trying to solve - saying he’ll give Benson the benefit of the doubt that she was trying to quash problems or make it better but really, “she just threw gas on an ember”. Murphy says it’s essentially being portrayed as an order that people can’t open carry within 100 feet of a polling location but he maintains there’s no legal basis for that. He said just because the Secretary of State is in charge of elections, doesn’t give her the authority to arbitrarily say something two weeks before the election and make it law



Read more: https://www.whmi.com/news/article/sheriff-mike-murphy-benson-election-open-carry



Now the Governor, AG and Sec of State and State Police appears to be at odds with a local Sheriff.

Different Michigan Sheriff from earlier in the week.

We live in crazy times.
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So I am sure this idiot will next say that it is permissible DonaldsRump Oct 2020 #1
It's enforceable if you start locking up the bastards. nt Boogiemack Oct 2020 #67
Then we get to call saying we are afraid to vote cause of the people with guns and want a cop to LizBeth Oct 2020 #2
I have the right to call 911 if I see guns inside that 100 ft line. roamer65 Oct 2020 #3
Everyone should have the closest FBI office number handy, that would be the first call I would make yaesu Oct 2020 #16
You do recognize who shows up when you call 911, right? FBaggins Oct 2020 #52
Washtenaw Co, MI roamer65 Oct 2020 #58
translation - threatening armed gangs of good old boys are ok with me nt msongs Oct 2020 #4
A police station is public too, so can people... Buckeye_Democrat Oct 2020 #5
No Open Carry In Courthouses Either FrankTC Oct 2020 #9
The courts set their own rules on that DetroitLegalBeagle Oct 2020 #26
Dodge City, 1878 EarlG Oct 2020 #6
And in fact... reACTIONary Oct 2020 #55
Why in hell is there any need to carry a gun to vote????? groundloop Oct 2020 #7
Aparrently some may need to carry a gun to vote in order to defend themselves from armed terrorists hadEnuf Oct 2020 #56
Another one of the sheriffs elected into the position. Buckeye_Democrat Oct 2020 #8
You just answered my question SheltieLover Oct 2020 #27
so can non elected sherrifs , ours wont enforce the wear mask rule here . AllaN01Bear Oct 2020 #44
Call up the National Guard! Cryptoad Oct 2020 #10
We need United Nations elections oversight James48 Oct 2020 #11
He should be removed immediately relayerbob Oct 2020 #12
He was elected, so it's not so easy. Buckeye_Democrat Oct 2020 #17
Ty! SheltieLover Oct 2020 #28
This is nutz Deuxcents Oct 2020 #13
There simply isn't any law for or against it in Michigan. DetroitLegalBeagle Oct 2020 #23
Methinks Murphy has been partaking of the Sovereign COLGATE4 Oct 2020 #14
Betting he's a "Constitutional Sheriff" Lars39 Oct 2020 #15
Well money is already free speech. I guess guns are next on the list? Initech Oct 2020 #18
lots of days left. truthisfreedom Oct 2020 #19
So if I see someone open carrying, and I am in fear of my life, PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2020 #20
Spot on!! K&R onetexan Oct 2020 #60
If you can convince a jury your fear was reasonable hack89 Oct 2020 #61
Especially since I don't have guns, PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2020 #62
You still have to show an overt threat hack89 Oct 2020 #66
Huh. And to think certain people PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2020 #68
Fine. Take your chances hack89 Oct 2020 #69
Did you see the part where I don't own a gun? PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2020 #70
I saw hack89 Oct 2020 #71
But people open carrying, and waving their guns at people PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2020 #72
In the town where I live in NC, if the town decides to issue a rule for any particular event, the BComplex Oct 2020 #21
If you can ban guns from court buildings, you can ban guns from election polls. W T F Oct 2020 #22
It's the "you" that you're missing FBaggins Oct 2020 #53
Bullshit. orangecrush Oct 2020 #24
Kick jo burrowowl Oct 2020 #25
Can they not pass law quickly to cover this issue, since Barney Fife is making noise? SheltieLover Oct 2020 #29
Michigan- both Houses are solid republican James48 Oct 2020 #43
Ty, Jamrs SheltieLover Oct 2020 #45
So, if there is a Democrat or two standing around with guns will they be Doreen Oct 2020 #30
It's going to be an ugly, ugly, ugly November. I fear lives will be lost. C Moon Oct 2020 #31
exactly - MAWA, the sound whiners make onetexan Oct 2020 #33
Fuck you Sheriff mdbl Oct 2020 #32
Bulls**t. The sheriff is obligated to enforce the election rules set by the SOS. sinkingfeeling Oct 2020 #34
Honest question melm00se Oct 2020 #35
The point isn't about a crime 3825-87867 Oct 2020 #38
there is no constitutional ban on yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theater. Kaleva Oct 2020 #48
Gun free zones melm00se Oct 2020 #51
Police could order such persons to leave the vicinity if they won't put their guns away ... mr_lebowski Oct 2020 #59
Playing devil's advocate... discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2020 #63
MI law allows a CPL holder to open carry in many of those places. Kaleva Oct 2020 #49
My polling place is inside a school, so firearms are prohibited, whether ... JustABozoOnThisBus Oct 2020 #36
A CPL holder can open carry in a school Kaleva Oct 2020 #46
Go ahead and shoot... UrbanProspector Oct 2020 #37
He could have KEPT his MOUTH SHUT! BUT bluestarone Oct 2020 #39
The locals are the ones that voted him in so I doubt they want to vote him out. nt dware Oct 2020 #41
The locals voted him in. Kaleva Oct 2020 #47
Not like having a political button on your shirt Marthe48 Oct 2020 #40
He is so full of Bullshit........... turbinetree Oct 2020 #42
The Orange County CA Sheriff ssid he won't enforce the mask mandate. SunSeeker Oct 2020 #50
Elected sheriffs are products of the good old boy system around here. old guy Oct 2020 #54
I place a vote for a Sheriff candidate in every major election in my county MichMan Oct 2020 #64
The sheriff is an idiot. LiberalFighter Oct 2020 #57
Nessel: State police will enforce voting laws on Election Day if sheriffs won't MichMan Oct 2020 #65
Kind of a dumb rule anyway. No firearms on display within 100 feet, or 5 car lengths. JustABozoOnThisBus Oct 2020 #73
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