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4. That was the theory behind Kerry losing in 2004. Fact is it was an untruth about

Sat Oct 24, 2020, 03:30 AM

Oct 2020

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kerry having a sure win were everywhere on election day in 2004 so harried democratic voters did not vote at the end of the day when they got home from work. Don't fall for what the Karl Rove's of the world cook up as narratives go. That was the shy elephant theory. Be warned to ignore any purported polling that shows Biden way out ahead on election day. Indeed there should be no poll results reported.

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Oh pleeease! He's no better than the Rasmussen poll ...has a C- rating on 538 Thekaspervote Oct 2020 #1

Shy? SheltieLover Oct 2020 #2

Plus they are incapable of embarrassment b/c they are so unaware, uncaring, and self-absorbed /nt bucolic_frolic Oct 2020 #30

Absolutely! SheltieLover Oct 2020 #40

"saw interest in his (polling) company skyrocket in 2016" - says it all. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ PSPS Oct 2020 #3

That was the theory behind Kerry losing in 2004. Fact is it was an untruth about applegrove Oct 2020 #4

I don't ever remember Kerry being projected to "win in a landslide" Skittles Oct 2020 #6

Early afternoon exit polls reported Kerry had the win. That is what i meant applegrove Oct 2020 #11

Kerry lost in Ohio after significant voter suppression and even possible vote tally manipulation. yardwork Oct 2020 #32

We don't agree on tally manipulation. I agree the right would pretty much try applegrove Oct 2020 #33

Well, there's no proof of tally manipulation, but the voter suppression was real. yardwork Oct 2020 #37

For sure. As was false exit poll results early in the afternoon in 2004. applegrove Oct 2020 #39

the exit polls were only off because the tally was manipulated between 10p and 2a on servers in Captain Zero Oct 2020 #64

New Court Filing Reveals How the 2004 Ohio Presidential Election Was Hacked CaptainTruth Oct 2020 #77

There was also the problem of Ken Blackwell. WinstonSmith4740 Oct 2020 #58

Blackwell was the problem. He was Ohio's Secretary of State. yardwork Oct 2020 #61

Yep... WinstonSmith4740 Oct 2020 #88

Why wouldn't it work both ways? Polybius Oct 2020 #75

Many Republicans have left him! StaunchDemocrat1957 Oct 2020 #21

Cannot compare 2016 to 2020. luvtheGWN Oct 2020 #59

I never heard of "Kerry in a landslide" until this very moment. mwb970 Oct 2020 #36

I mean that his suposed numbers were suposedly so great on election day applegrove Oct 2020 #44

That's not what I recall. Buckeye_Democrat Oct 2020 #42

People talked for a year about the exit polls. Diebold voting machines. applegrove Oct 2020 #45

I recall that part. Buckeye_Democrat Oct 2020 #46

I used the wrong word. I will change it. applegrove Oct 2020 #47

K&R. Good to have poll results but the important thing is getting word out to Dems to NOT assume onetexan Oct 2020 #83

lol, shy? Skittles Oct 2020 #5

Precisely Sherman A1 Oct 2020 #16

+10 nt reACTIONary Oct 2020 #55

In other words, a doctrinaire pollster who got lucky ONCE... regnaD kciN Oct 2020 #7

That's silly. Racist asshole aren't shy. betsuni Oct 2020 #8

Tiny thing he is missing is that Trump lost the majority vote during the last election and only won cstanleytech Oct 2020 #9

This only works if Democrats videohead5 Oct 2020 #10

Precisely Sherman A1 Oct 2020 #18

Bullshit. They're not shy anymore. After 4 years, every Trumper is loud and proud. SunSeeker Oct 2020 #12

That's true NorthOf270 Oct 2020 #20

What crap. pwb Oct 2020 #13

Nope, Nada, Just No Joinfortmill Oct 2020 #14

SHY is the same as NONEXISTANT NecklyTyler Oct 2020 #15

THE trumpers are never shy, they think they are wonderful people. katmondoo Oct 2020 #17

Shy? Try suicidal. Vinca Oct 2020 #19

Even a blind pig finds an acorn now and then ashredux Oct 2020 #22

Trump didn't "win" because of his "shy Trump voters" but because of massive Russian interference Botany Oct 2020 #23

"Shy" Trump voters is just cover for Putin sabotage aeromanKC Oct 2020 #24

Nope, not gonna happen. dixiechiken1 Oct 2020 #25

the shy trump voter? Thats laughable, what about the shy biden voter in a trumper household? beachbumbob Oct 2020 #26

That wasn't even true in 2016 when.. ananda Oct 2020 #27

The biggest factor that always seems to be left out is Comey's interference still_one Oct 2020 #43

That too. All part of the whole web of dirty tricks. ananda Oct 2020 #68

Until there is factual evidence bucolic_frolic Oct 2020 #28

He's not accounting for the trump voters who are afraid to say they're NOT with him THIS time. oldsoftie Oct 2020 #29

"Shy" voters, you mean Russia and all the other Iliyah Oct 2020 #31

There Are No Shy Trump Voters In My Neighborhood modrepub Oct 2020 #34

Trafalgar is a very strange company DonaldsRump Oct 2020 #35

Bullshit poll. Nothing to see here. Tommymac Oct 2020 #38

Just bullshit. There are no "shy" trump voters. This pollster is a C rated pollster still_one Oct 2020 #41

Tell us again The Wizard Oct 2020 #48

Have faith in the American people that they are smarter than to re-elect murdering Trump!... Illumination Oct 2020 #49

Any prognostication that relies on "it happened in 2016, it will happen again" is bullshit Tarc Oct 2020 #50

Nope. No evidence to prove this guy's "hunch". Nt Fiendish Thingy Oct 2020 #51

From the OP article link -- BumRushDaShow Oct 2020 #52

Oh look -- they're gazing at the toilet paper stuck on tRump's shoe Blue Owl Oct 2020 #53

This guy cannabis_flower Oct 2020 #54

I'm just playing Devil's advocate and throwing what 'evidence' is out there bucolic_frolic Oct 2020 #56

Their methodology includes.... reACTIONary Oct 2020 #57

ao-hell is still around? Nothing "shy" about the racist, hate-filled supporters of that murdering niyad Oct 2020 #60

Two things: concretebluetwo Oct 2020 #62

Depressing birdographer Oct 2020 #63

Shy? newdayneeded Oct 2020 #65

That's wishful thinking. Plenty of 2016 Trump voters weren't solid and have left him by now IronLionZion Oct 2020 #66

They don't seem shy anymore. BusyBeingBest Oct 2020 #67

Like Rasmussen, the Trafalgar poll's purpose is to prop up Republicans. Sloumeau Oct 2020 #69

I'll stick with Allan Lichman Linda Ed Oct 2020 #70

The whole polling "business" is strange. Scruffy1 Oct 2020 #71

What other "correct projections" has Trafalgar made that differs from 538 A rated polls? nt SayItLoud Oct 2020 #72

Cahaly is a partisan hack. dalton99a Oct 2020 #73

He looks like a poor man's Tucker Carlson Dopers_Greed Oct 2020 #81

Ashamed more like. Also, Russia. traladeda Oct 2020 #74

BS. Same tactic was tried when the exit polls did not match McCamy Taylor Oct 2020 #76

He gets in AGAIN, I swear to GAWD I WON'T BE RESPONSIBLE....... a kennedy Oct 2020 #78

Hah,,,, Cryptoad Oct 2020 #79

Trump can still win this time Dopers_Greed Oct 2020 #80

Why is this in LBN. The assessment of a C- rated pollster? still_one Oct 2020 #82

Look at the fucking yard signs, the flags, the facebook bullshit jcgoldie Oct 2020 #84

Exit polls Oscarthegreat Oct 2020 #85

electoral-vote.com dismisses him Lulu KC Oct 2020 #86

Trying to make lightening strike twice. He's an idiot. Posting his crap might even be alertable. marble falls Oct 2020 #87