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Ocelot II

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38. He didn't, and he denied the motion for a mistrial.
Mon Apr 19, 2021, 09:46 PM
Apr 2021

Apparently he thought Rep. Waters' comment was inappropriate, but not something that would warrant a mistrial. It appeared to me that he was basically just telling Nelson he could appeal his decision if he didn't like it.

If Nelson included that issue in the inevitable appeal, he'd have to convince the Court of Appeals that the judge was wrong for refusing to declare a mistrial on the basis of Waters' comment, which would also mean he was appealing the decision not to sequester the jury. This would further require persuading them that the outcome would have been different had the jury not been sequestered, unlikely because all the jurors knew at least something about Floyd's death (how could they not); under the circumstances sequestration is unlikely to have made a difference.

And they would also have to be convinced that the jurors, or some of them, actually heard Waters' remark and that it had influenced their verdict. One might even argue that if any of them had been influenced at all, it might as easily have been in Chauvin's favor as against him.

The purpose of an appeal is only to determine whether the trial judge made a mistake, and not to question the evidence itself or second-guess the jury, and there is a principle of appellate review called "harmless error," which means that even if the judge made a mistake in his handling of the trial, the mistake made no difference as to the outcome. With respect to both the Waters comment and the sequestration issue, I doubt that the judge's decision will affect the jury's verdict and that it will be upheld on appeal unless something goes totally sideways. Considering how carefully this case was tried, I don't think that will happen.

Newsweek needs better headline writers. madaboutharry Apr 2021 #1
Exactly. At no time did the judge say it could be issue for mistrial, rather denied a mistrial. hlthe2b Apr 2021 #5
Yeah the judge is cool to the mistrial thing MisterNiceKitty Apr 2021 #21
It is normal for defense attorneys to ask for louis-t Apr 2021 #41
Newsweek was sold to a bunch of righwing nut jobs recently maxrandb Apr 2021 #23
The appeal would be to declare a mistrial. The appeal would be to overrule his denial of mistrial. Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2021 #58
I was Nikki28 Apr 2021 #2
I will provide the link again for you to read yourself hlthe2b Apr 2021 #6
A legislator does not know that a defendant is presumed innocent until found guilty? question everything Apr 2021 #48
Bullshit Blue Owl Apr 2021 #3
Correct bdamomma Apr 2021 #24
She is speaking out against racism because Derek Chauvin is a fucking MURDERER LenaBaby61 Apr 2021 #42
Yes, this. geardaddy Apr 2021 #56
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Apr 2021 #4
Really Maxine?? Why?? Bengus81 Apr 2021 #7
He is a Republican appointed judge..... Jon King Apr 2021 #8
He's a highly-respected judge who once worked for Amy Klobuchar Ocelot II Apr 2021 #16
Thank you for your reply to a knee-jerk SharonClark Apr 2021 #32
Too many knees jerking around here, and too much misunderstanding Ocelot II Apr 2021 #37
+1. She should know that a defendant is considered innocent until found guilty question everything Apr 2021 #49
Bullshit N/T kacekwl Apr 2021 #9
Video of the entire discussion (8 minutes, 13 seconds)... PoliticAverse Apr 2021 #10
Her comments were less inflammatory than Nelson Deminpenn Apr 2021 #11
Isn't it true cannabis_flower Apr 2021 #12
Perhaps, but the haven't been sequestered until deliberations began Jose Garcia Apr 2021 #13
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If a judge overturns a jury verdict based on what she said he's an idiot. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2021 #14
He didn't, and he denied the motion for a mistrial. Ocelot II Apr 2021 #38
You know what is 'confrontational'? The legal system. That is all she applegrove Apr 2021 #15
Have to wonder whether Christina Zhao is qualified to be a reporter? LiberalFighter Apr 2021 #19
I read the transcript. She shouldn't have said that. JohnnyRingo Apr 2021 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Apr 2021 #22
those are the rules bdamomma Apr 2021 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Apr 2021 #29
But during an appeal... JohnnyRingo Apr 2021 #28
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"If she triggers violence and an appeal, that's on her and the courts, not the GOP." LenaBaby61 Apr 2021 #45
My point is... JohnnyRingo Apr 2021 #54
The judge is totally wrong.... Jon King Apr 2021 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Apr 2021 #31
Judge Cahill isn't going anywhere. He's one of the most respected judges Ocelot II Apr 2021 #39
The judge didn't "give it attention". SharonClark Apr 2021 #33
What he said was, "could be a basis for appeal" rpannier Apr 2021 #52
Talk about "cancel culture." We are to the point where truth is attacked and lies are OK. nt Evolve Dammit Apr 2021 #27
Wouldn't they have to prove that dflprincess Apr 2021 #34
Yup. Ocelot II Apr 2021 #40
I heard the judge say he dismissed the motion for a mistrial. ancianita Apr 2021 #35
Nonsense. Dawson Leery Apr 2021 #36
Blame it on the blacks who brought the NOT GUILTY upon themselves is what he means Schmice3 Apr 2021 #43
Well she did say to "fight" Lokilooney Apr 2021 #44
Stop already, the judge was completely wrong! Jon King Apr 2021 #46
Agree ananda Apr 2021 #47
That sounded pretty out of line to me too, the moment I read it (nt) Hugh_Lebowski Apr 2021 #50
What the judge said will not be part of the appealable trial record. Ocelot II Apr 2021 #51
Thank you rpannier Apr 2021 #53
Thank you mahina Apr 2021 #62
The judge did not have to go there, but he did. It's infuriating. Politicub Apr 2021 #59
Ms. Waters has no more of a connection with the case than I do pecosbob Apr 2021 #55
Really absurd. When the jury wasn't fully sequestered.... Blasphemer Apr 2021 #57
A Heroine marieo1 Apr 2021 #60
A Heroine marieo1 Apr 2021 #61
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