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8. Immediate thoughts: Which patents? All of them? If Biden can persuade pharmaceuticals who used the
Wed May 5, 2021, 05:52 PM
May 2021

vaccines as delivery mechanisms to deliver the CRISPR therapies into the outside cytoplasm of human cells, then Biden's covid team could be dealing with pharma, who already paid patent royalties to the scientists who produced the covid virus genetic material mapping and editing. These companies manufacture the vaccine delivery mechanism for the RNAmolecule.

Other countries use mostly AstraZeneca (not an RNA vaccine) and just can't produce enough vaccines, and long term effective enough vaccines, and so they need to borrow intellectual property on U.S.'s RNA vaccines.

I'd be surprised if this was about lifting protections for the patents on the science that enable the vaccines. Mostly because other countries don't yet have the lab capabilities to do the CRISPR work to map and edit virus genetic material.

Those are held by both the institutions (Berkeley National Laboratory and Harvard's Broad Institute) and the scientists (the Doudna & Zhang teams) who developed the science tools (gene-edited coronavirus) to delivered by the vaccines.

Just for the record, Eldora Ellison, with degrees in biology and law, explained the nuances of both of those to the U.S. Patent Office and the U.S. Court of Appeals (she'd be good for SCOTUS, which could use at least one justice who understands biology and technology) that the editing tool, CRISPR-Cas9 was patent worthy because of Doudna's and Charpentier's bench research and data that proved it could be used in all organisms from bacteria to humans. They were granted 15 patents in the U.S.

By 2020, Doudna and Charpentier had been awarded major patents for their gene editing tool in Britain, China, Japan, Australia, New Zealand and Mexico.

So if it's the scientific patents Biden might lift protections on, it's okay with these scientists, who've never really done what they did for the money, anyway. Even if their institutions might want the money, at least it's clear that Doudna (UCal Berkeley) and Charpentier (U. of Vienna) don't. Besides, they can still get royalties from other countries with their own vaccine production strengths.

Sounds like a no-brainer for Biden because spreading manufacturing and science capacity worldwide is a good thing. It can raise US international leadership capital, too. And it also sounds like the kind of big deal help that's been expected of America.

Just putting out what I've read about, and what Biden's commitment means.

Not a moment too soon!!!!!! cloudythescribbler May 2021 #1
+1000 Gaugamela May 2021 #2
I agree with the "from the start" part Shermann May 2021 #5
The Pharma companies got billions in advance from the government, the basic research was Gaugamela May 2021 #7
Agreed, and well said! nt crickets May 2021 #23
Oh, ughh. How about coming up with something quick like very real soon? progree May 2021 #3
That's because of all the patent law BumRushDaShow May 2021 #6
None of this crap can be cut through by government edict? Like what if this was WWII and progree May 2021 #9
Well remember there was an agreement put in place for Merck to work with J&J on the Janssen vaccine BumRushDaShow May 2021 #10
" they are going to be injected (or ingested) in a human being" progree May 2021 #12
When you're talking about mRNA or virus-based vectors BumRushDaShow May 2021 #13
Quality in manufacturing and patent protection are two different issues. The patent protection progree May 2021 #14
They are related BumRushDaShow May 2021 #16
You are talking about manufacturing quality and following the recipe exactly. That has nothing to do progree May 2021 #17
The issue is patents, which involve proprietary products/processes, and whether to waive the patents BumRushDaShow May 2021 #18
"I think you were arguing 'cut the red tape and just make it' and it's not that easy." progree May 2021 #19
I really don't think it's going to take that long BumRushDaShow May 2021 #20
I saw the WTO and WHO stuff in the OP - that's what my question originally was about progree May 2021 #21
Well that might not be anything that we can control BumRushDaShow May 2021 #22
Profit above all else. That ends up in some companies having more interesting in taking lives... Lancero May 2021 #11
Precisely /nt progree May 2021 #15
It will be interesting to see if this ends up in court JohnSJ May 2021 #4
Immediate thoughts: Which patents? All of them? If Biden can persuade pharmaceuticals who used the ancianita May 2021 #8
They should tread carefully. Also, any generic Covid vaccines would be a year away... NurseJackie May 2021 #24
Covid: Germany rejects US-backed proposal to waive vaccine patents muriel_volestrangler May 2021 #25
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