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CrabbyAppleton

(44 posts)
35. De nada
Sat Jan 28, 2023, 05:31 AM
Jan 2023

Phalanx was designed to be a point defense system to stop missiles, aircraft and small boats which have larger radar signatures. The other equipment was added to be able to detect artillery and mortar fire as well. Different sensors were needed to detect smaller objects as well as other processors to examine the incoming data. Power generators are required because Phalanx relies on shipboard power.

Another problem as I mentioned is the ammo. You can't just pump a lot of ammo into the air because what goes up, must come down and that can cause a lot of unwanted damage. In fact, there have been multiple incidents with Phalanx systems at sea causing collateral damage. USS Missouri sent out chaff to protect itself from incoming missiles which caused a ship nearby to fire it's Phalanx which caused some injuries or even a death, I don't remember. I myself saw a Phalanx shipboard test where the system shot the tow cable pulling a dummy missile and then the gun jammed. The dummy just barely missed hitting the deck I was standing on.

The solution to that problem is M940 ammo which instead of tungsten projectiles is a High Explosive Tracer Round which is designed to explode on impact with a target, OR burn-up after a set distance (2000 meters) if it doesn't hit a target.

Normal tracers are usually used in a 1 to 5 or 1 to 7 ratio to allow gunners to track where they are shooting. M940 is used in every round so none of the ammo comes back down. That's why video of the Land Phalanx Weapons System looks so cool. Every round is a tracer. Watch the video though and you'll notice the guns don't depress their fire too low so none of it comes back down to the ground. The ammo is very expensive too.

Another problem with multiple drone attacks is Phalanx doesn't have a large magazine (relatively speaking) so it is easily overwhelmed by a large number (more than 5) of incoming targets.

There are other systems in development to deal with the multiple threats that drones pose. The problem as I see it is that systems that are effective, are expensive and cover a very limited area.

On the other hand, the info I am privy to is that Russia does not have the resources to make drones of their own and their source of drones has been destroyed.

Crabby

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jan 2023 #1
This is the best news since the patriots ColinC Jan 2023 #4
The newest Abrams variants wont be sent FredGarvin Jan 2023 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jan 2023 #9
According To The WSJ... GB_RN Jan 2023 #24
Der Spiegel is reporting that Germany has agreed to send Leopard tanks Tomconroy Jan 2023 #2
30-50 Abrams is what I'm hearing so far nt rollin74 Jan 2023 #3
Germany is reportedly going to give 15 Leopard 2A6 tanks as well nt rollin74 Jan 2023 #5
Wow, they are definitely going to try to take Crimea back. harun Jan 2023 #6
I know, last week it looked like NATO didn't want Zelensky to take Ukraine. Irish_Dem Jan 2023 #12
Really fuel intensive platform, something that Ukraine is in short supply of OnlinePoker Jan 2023 #7
Dont think this is a good idea. Abrams need a stout supply line. oldsoftie Jan 2023 #10
Phalynx isnt capable of reaching behind lines FredGarvin Jan 2023 #14
Yes, I said it would be great to use against those drone swarms. oldsoftie Jan 2023 #19
I wonder if it's more symbolic/political than tactical? Mister Ed Jan 2023 #16
Thats a good point; pressure to others (GER I'm looking at you) to get going. oldsoftie Jan 2023 #20
Yes. paleotn Jan 2023 #22
The Abrams M1 is multifuel. Emrys Jan 2023 #28
The entire four years I was in, we never used JP-8. Aristus Jan 2023 #34
Phalanx alone won't do... CrabbyAppleton Jan 2023 #31
But would you really need all that to defeat 100mph drones? oldsoftie Jan 2023 #32
De nada CrabbyAppleton Jan 2023 #35
Ukraine expects to get 100 Leopard 2 tanks from 12 countries, once Germany approves IronLionZion Jan 2023 #11
Let's hope they deter a Belarussian invasion FredGarvin Jan 2023 #15
like it republianmushroom Jan 2023 #13
Send them everything they need to repulse the murderous Russians Mysterian Jan 2023 #17
Indeed. Nothing should be off the table Roc2020 Jan 2023 #18
M-1 Abrams Tanks- James48 Jan 2023 #21
I don't know if the order of battle has changed since I got out in 1993, Aristus Jan 2023 #23
Update James48 Jan 2023 #26
Hear of any trustworhty estimates on training time for the crews? XorXor Jan 2023 #29
send 'em all we don't need. Send them all back to Vlad's waiting arms thanking them for service Evolve Dammit Jan 2023 #25
For the US and Germany to agree to send the Ukrainian's MarineCombatEngineer Jan 2023 #27
I do wonder the likelihood of Russia escalating by attacking service/support facilities outside XorXor Jan 2023 #30
I think that's a real possibility also, MarineCombatEngineer Jan 2023 #33
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