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JDPriestly

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22. Whereas I do not blame Obama at all, at all, at all.
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 04:02 PM
Jun 2013

There is nothing he can do that he has not already done. This cabal in the NSA and the CIA and in the rest of the snoopers and controllers was there long before he became president. He has reigned them in to the extent he can, but he can't do much.

That is a big difference between my view of this issue and the views of many other DUers. I think that Obama has done what he could do, although I wish he could and would do more. I don't doubt his wisdom at all.

Another difference between my view of this and those of others is that because of sheer accidental circumstances in my life, I happen to have traveled some in Eastern Europe and been able to speak with people, for example, from Poland, who lived through the repression there. For some years, I lived within driving distance of gun-towers, almost medieval fortifications, that dotted the borders between East and West. I travelled for reasons having nothing to do with politics across those borders.

So, I have experience with people who were frustrated and silenced by the surveillance of their governments, and I am very, very wary of it. It discourages discussion. It is incompatible with true freedom of speech and press and even religion. We cannot afford this massive collection of metadata.

That does not mean that the government should be prohibited from collecting the specific data on specific people who are believed to have or thought to have committed crimes if the data could be relevant to solving the crimes.

That is a totally different matter.

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That's cute...I wonder if freedom of assembly in Russia will come up BeyondGeography Jun 2013 #1
Look over there! wtmusic Jun 2013 #3
That quaint old right? That's way pre-9/11. JDPriestly Jun 2013 #7
Surveillance needs to be mediated by the courts and Congress BeyondGeography Jun 2013 #9
Ask Bimmey and a few others just how good those procedures worked nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #10
And here we are talking about it, freely I might add BeyondGeography Jun 2013 #12
Dictablandas rely on maintaining the ilusion nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #13
And, hopefully, more remedies will be pursued now that Snowden JDPriestly Jun 2013 #18
I will confess to knee-jerk defense of the President on occasion BeyondGeography Jun 2013 #19
Whereas I do not blame Obama at all, at all, at all. JDPriestly Jun 2013 #22
Binney and other NSA whistleblowers were prosecuted. We aren't so free, are we? leveymg Jun 2013 #26
His father is talking about when he returns to the US.. monmouth3 Jun 2013 #2
You must be kidding. wtmusic Jun 2013 #4
How would he have applied for a visa to some country other than JDPriestly Jun 2013 #8
Oh sure, Comrade Eddie's not a flight risk. I'm sure any judge would grant him bail. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #20
I still think Breitbart and O'Keefe EC Jun 2013 #5
I think the social value to the situation is already pretty clear, just needs fine tuning. Jefferson23 Jun 2013 #6
"Assessment" would be better. Igel Jun 2013 #16
I think he means something like what we call "public interest". bemildred Jun 2013 #17
Perhaps one of them will have Snowden on board when they all fly home. nt ancianita Jun 2013 #11
Maybe, I'm inclined to doubt it. bemildred Jun 2013 #15
He probably is happy there, in Kaspersky land. There are those who might be holding him, as well, ancianita Jun 2013 #23
Well, you have to understand, the Russians don't care, they think this is funny. bemildred Jun 2013 #24
It has occurred to me that they're as good at snooping as any nation, and that whatever ancianita Jun 2013 #25
" . . .with human rights activists in Russian headquarters of the Public Chamber of Russia, . . " Major Hogwash Jun 2013 #14
+1000 Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #21
This story is getting hilarious. Ecuadorean leakers to be prosecuted. Intermission: Ballerina. UTUSN Jun 2013 #27
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