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bemildred

(90,061 posts)
26. About Snowden:
Sun Jul 7, 2013, 09:46 AM
Jul 2013

1.) You have to understand, he cleaned their clock, took it all, and he made sure to seal the deal before he went public. And he is going to screw all our "security" friends too, in Europe and elsewhere, who will not be grateful to us for that.

2.) They are used to being the guys who know, the guys who are wise, so they are in a state of panic. Us people out here in TV-land have never had such illusions of control, we never feel safe, so we can handle it better.

3.) This is what they do, the NSA, steal information and keep it secret so the government can USE IT, and they have been totally punked by one of their pet nerds. Of course they are pissed, and everything really is on the table, for them.

4.) Most of all, the spooks are being laughed at, the NSA is being laughed at, the national security state is being seen as the Keystone Kops. The Russians and the Chinese have already been here, now it's our turn, since we decided to go with the totalitarian methods too. And apparently it is just as corrosive to competence and good governance here as it was in those places.

5.) The Russian and Chinese reaction has been illuminating, you can see that they are bemused, and yet they don't want to piss off the angry guy any more than he already is, and they know they will be dealing with us when this "crisis" is long forgotten.

... Scootaloo Jul 2013 #1
Turkish formercia Jul 2013 #37
So I see vdogg Jul 2013 #2
distraction tool #34.3: "everybody does it - move on - nothing new here" nt temmer Jul 2013 #8
Where were the cells discovered from 9/11? In germany? I can see how they are working together. The Wielding Truth Jul 2013 #10
Hamburg BeyondGeography Jul 2013 #14
Distraction tool? vdogg Jul 2013 #12
Mine was not a comment on distraction, but the fact that the german cooperation uncovered cells. The Wielding Truth Jul 2013 #65
Oh, I know vdogg Jul 2013 #66
And Germany faces elections in September. Merkel may be in for a big surprise. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #68
Snowden is a libertarian. He views the world through fantasy, not reality. Galraedia Jul 2013 #16
Snowden is a Libertarian? Can't believe the M$M is hiding that fact from us... think Jul 2013 #44
It's a matter of how much not whether. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #69
The scandal is that the people of the world do not want the elite clique in leadership regardless of JDPriestly Jul 2013 #67
But who cares what you say, edward? You've been charged with a felony and didn't stay to get Nanjing to Seoul Jul 2013 #3
+100 Katashi_itto Jul 2013 #7
+1000 n/t cosmicone Jul 2013 #19
Well, sure, when you put it in such nonsensical terms railsback Jul 2013 #53
Classic bunny stomper memes. L0oniX Jul 2013 #54
did you not see the "do I need to add the sarcasm? icon" at the bottom Nanjing to Seoul Jul 2013 #55
NONONO I was glad to see your post that described some of the crap spew'd from the bunny stompers. L0oniX Jul 2013 #56
With This Much Intelligence Incest In Play - It Is Easy To Understand The Morales Affair cantbeserious Jul 2013 #4
Yep nt Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #72
German Officials know what they are doing is illegal fasttense Jul 2013 #5
Hmmmm..... DeSwiss Jul 2013 #6
Buh-bye, Angela. But 1st you got some splainin' to do. Divernan Jul 2013 #13
Not necessarily DFW Jul 2013 #20
We need to flush all our leaders from power on a regular basis, even the civil servants. reformist2 Jul 2013 #9
and their lobbying pay masters. nineteen50 Jul 2013 #28
Sigh. ECHELON. sofa king Jul 2013 #11
I remember Hayden complaining about how people moving away from land lines was L0oniX Jul 2013 #52
Such unusual incontinence about intelligence activities. bemildred Jul 2013 #15
it's like the op just woke up warrior1 Jul 2013 #17
The global profite elite is afraid of the global 99% and with good reason Catherina Jul 2013 #18
You've made the analogy, for sure... MrMickeysMom Jul 2013 #24
About Snowden: bemildred Jul 2013 #26
add cronyism and nineteen50 Jul 2013 #30
Yes, and I'm kind of stunned to realize our government are such a bunch of fools, still. bemildred Jul 2013 #36
^^^^this^^^^ L0oniX Jul 2013 #51
International cooperation. Conium Jul 2013 #21
and the good guys double edged sword. nineteen50 Jul 2013 #31
If only that worked on Bush, Cheney and the banksters. L0oniX Jul 2013 #49
Either take Snowden at his word **OR** be outraged we're "spying" on our allies. baldguy Jul 2013 #22
or that we are being spied on. nineteen50 Jul 2013 #33
But, I thought that we were spying on Germany and BlueToTheBone Jul 2013 #23
the BND is not the German people temmer Jul 2013 #25
So, their super spy agency and our BlueToTheBone Jul 2013 #27
BND has already been busted for spying on journalists multiple times recently and nothing changes. BenzoDia Jul 2013 #29
Some things never change BlueToTheBone Jul 2013 #34
You're right temmer Jul 2013 #39
Ex-Nazi huh? SoapBox Jul 2013 #43
ooooooooooooooooh burn! frylock Jul 2013 #59
That's because this Asshole traitorous Snowden is fucken nuts. gholtron Jul 2013 #40
Ditto! SoapBox Jul 2013 #42
oh sage with the crystal ball, let me know the powerball because you can tap into another Nanjing to Seoul Jul 2013 #57
It's called projection. That is they would do, so it tsuki Jul 2013 #63
really? this is news? madrchsod Jul 2013 #32
Time will tell if it is a non story I want and will wait for further nineteen50 Jul 2013 #35
This Asshole Snowden is crazy. gholtron Jul 2013 #38
...and the bunny stompers will attempt to turn the focus away from the illegal spying once again. L0oniX Jul 2013 #48
+1000 tsuki Jul 2013 #64
Blah, blah, blah... SoapBox Jul 2013 #41
how'd your beloved surveillance program work out in boston? frylock Jul 2013 #60
petition: give Edward Snowden shelter in Germany! temmer Jul 2013 #45
More old news bhikkhu Jul 2013 #46
+1 classof56 Jul 2013 #58
Now we're gonna hear more nonsense about how this legal cause it's the law. L0oniX Jul 2013 #47
well...here might be a difference between the US and Germany temmer Jul 2013 #50
It's funny because of course Germany is a US satellite. David__77 Jul 2013 #61
A suggestion railsback Jul 2013 #62
Was there ever any doubt??? blkmusclmachine Jul 2013 #70
They're making a list, and checking it twice, blkmusclmachine Jul 2013 #71
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