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L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
81. "businesses" = corporate Obama and US government controllers. Is it funny yet?
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 11:22 AM
Aug 2013

ACA will be just another way to forcefully extract money for your life. No cap on co-pays? Oh wow geeze ...can you guess what that co-pay % will be? I can. Hmmmm "deductibles were to be limited to $2,000 per year" So uhmmm at least $2000 in co-pays ....well gee I can get insured for $400 a month with a $5000 yearly deductible. Problem is that I don't make make enough money to pay that nor enough to pay $2000 for an ACA deductible. If that is the deductible then I can imagine what the premium will be or can't I? Now they will delay that for another year so what happens in the mean time? I guess the IRS will be taking ACA out of my $274 a week take home pay and then let me worry about deductibles later.

Oh yea ...isn't that what insurance is all about? Take your money and not pay out? Unless you also pay for the lawyer to try to force them to pay? I don't believe or think ACA is going to allow you to use a lawyer to force them to help you.

Not only did Baucus and Obama take single payer off the table, now it's getting even farther whittled away ...and it's temporary right? Well we can't be having corporations be unprepared for ACA ...while everyone else has to be prepared to start paying in 2014?

Are they also delaying the IRS forced ACA deduction from my paycheck in 2014?

Boy oh boy ...I just can't wait for the next center right POTUS candidate telling us they will fix all this ...by compromising with the GOP enemy.

Hey ...I don't sound too pessimistic do I?


Medicare for All, including dental and optical. Everything else is just window dressing. Scuba Aug 2013 #1
This is what I fear the most Harmony Blue Aug 2013 #19
Perhaps that was the idea. Scuba Aug 2013 #27
You are actively assisting Republicans in their goal. nt tridim Aug 2013 #40
Can you explain that, please? Scuba Aug 2013 #49
Yes, crim son Aug 2013 #58
It was an observation. AtheistCrusader Aug 2013 #68
If? We have a couple generations who have been awash in the idea that the jtuck004 Aug 2013 #102
Never mind government health care works jut fine in the rest of the world. RC Aug 2013 #46
Hear hear! BlueManFan Aug 2013 #62
+ infinity! n/t Lugnut Aug 2013 #63
''Everything else is just window dressing.'' DeSwiss Aug 2013 #69
Only if "window dressing" equals evil for profit Half-Century Man Aug 2013 #80
How would that effect the solvency of Medicare? Freddie Stubbs Aug 2013 #110
Tax the wealthy a little more ... Scuba Aug 2013 #111
Tax the super wealthy a LOT more wordpix Aug 2013 #116
Good idea, but will never happen in the USA unless the "peasants" revolt. ConcernedCanuk Aug 2013 #124
+1000, O-care is proving to be R-care; R for Repug and Repeal wordpix Aug 2013 #115
+1000 burnsei sensei Aug 2013 #134
"businesses need more time to figure out how to comply" Eric J in MN Aug 2013 #2
Thats exactly what I thought. n/t winterpark Aug 2013 #17
I'd give them until the end of the year atreides1 Aug 2013 #31
Don't be holding your breath. RC Aug 2013 #48
They can change their own policies in the time it takes lightning to flash, but Jackpine Radical Aug 2013 #41
More likely time to figure how to dump their insurance plans zeemike Aug 2013 #74
Did the population get time to... Half-Century Man Aug 2013 #85
I wouldn't give them the time. christx30 Aug 2013 #113
I guess three Duckhunter935 Aug 2013 #3
Is it my imagination or does enlightenment Aug 2013 #4
I couldn't agree more. Ed Suspicious Aug 2013 #7
You are quite correct. another_liberal Aug 2013 #10
Don''t worry the chaos will worsen Harmony Blue Aug 2013 #16
100% pure FUD. Heartless, cold, disgusting. nt tridim Aug 2013 #39
That's how it looks to me, too. City Lights Aug 2013 #13
The edited version does not make sense, either Kolesar Aug 2013 #26
nah it`s not your imagination madrchsod Aug 2013 #28
It's definitely not your imagination Yo_Mama Aug 2013 #42
That's Obama in a nutshell. Protect the 1% at all costs. forestpath Aug 2013 #57
You noticed. They keep finding new ways to screw us. chimpymustgo Aug 2013 #131
bad products do not elicit burnsei sensei Aug 2013 #135
I'm shocked, shocked I tell you hobbit709 Aug 2013 #5
Yep... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2013 #109
Need more time to figure out how to comply? djean111 Aug 2013 #6
Premiums, co-pays and deductibles are ALREADY going down in states that have implemented the ACA tridim Aug 2013 #9
Oh, yes, going down for now. djean111 Aug 2013 #15
And for those of us in red states, our premiums are going UPPPPPP.... AllyCat Aug 2013 #66
Actually I believe them that they need more time but cstanleytech Aug 2013 #20
Universal health care should have been the goal Harmony Blue Aug 2013 #8
30 million newly insured poor people been snookered? tridim Aug 2013 #11
This will be stripped away as well Harmony Blue Aug 2013 #12
No, it will not. Period. tridim Aug 2013 #21
The Obama Administration obviously can do as they wish Harmony Blue Aug 2013 #29
The HHS/ACA website is a good use of time Kolesar Aug 2013 #33
It's a delay, not non-enforcement. Relax. tridim Aug 2013 #35
The fact the Obama administration seems to feel uncompelled to implement the law they passed? Chan790 Aug 2013 #114
uh, the waivers? Doctor_J Aug 2013 #142
Making stuff up. former9thward Aug 2013 #53
You are 100% wrong. tridim Aug 2013 #89
If a person has no "disposable income", then unless the government covers 100% of the cost hughee99 Aug 2013 #139
These people have a mandate to buy insurance from the same old crooks dflprincess Aug 2013 #128
People tried. They threw them in jail. RC Aug 2013 #72
I didn't think it could get any worse than it already was Cal Carpenter Aug 2013 #14
I work for an insurance company.. tridim Aug 2013 #24
Oh, for pity's sake. enlightenment Aug 2013 #45
Do you want 30 million poor people to have insurance, or not? tridim Aug 2013 #84
I would like 50 million people to have access to enlightenment Aug 2013 #91
So would I. What's your point? tridim Aug 2013 #94
Conversations like this enlightenment Aug 2013 #105
Do you want a unicorn? Chan790 Aug 2013 #117
Which would you rather have. zeemike Aug 2013 #77
If I were running the company, I would take my share of the 30 million new customers... tridim Aug 2013 #82
Sorry but what it sounds like to me is. zeemike Aug 2013 #98
Make up your mind--is the law an abomination or is the problem geek tragedy Aug 2013 #143
No surprise here Puzzledtraveller Aug 2013 #18
I am not as cynical as some....... Swede Atlanta Aug 2013 #22
I would have bought coverage with deductibles > $2000/year Kolesar Aug 2013 #23
That's nice and I'm happy for you. Jackpine Radical Aug 2013 #44
Subsidies! Kolesar Aug 2013 #47
I believe the subsidies help with the premiums, not with the deductibles. Jackpine Radical Aug 2013 #51
What's the deductible for Medicaid patients? Kolesar Aug 2013 #52
I don't know, but even if there is none, Jackpine Radical Aug 2013 #56
slightly above that line gets one a 91% subsidy. Kolesar Aug 2013 #61
Sure, but what's the deductible? Jackpine Radical Aug 2013 #120
Look it up at the ACA website ... eom Kolesar Aug 2013 #129
I did. That was a rhetorical question. Jackpine Radical Aug 2013 #132
Then buy the silver plan or the gold plan...eom Kolesar Aug 2013 #141
A lien on personal property is what covers Medicaid expenses DJ13 Aug 2013 #65
so how is care "affordable" under the PPACA, if you can't afford to get sick? nt antigop Aug 2013 #25
Good point Harmony Blue Aug 2013 #32
Do you want the ACA repealed? tridim Aug 2013 #38
Insurance may be affordable. djean111 Aug 2013 #34
I changed the title -- PPACA---> AFFORDABLE CARE ACT. antigop Aug 2013 #36
So, repeal the ACA? tridim Aug 2013 #37
No, stimulation Kolesar Aug 2013 #54
I'll take that as a yes. tridim Aug 2013 #87
Huh? Kolesar Aug 2013 #95
Stop with the Sophie's choice. djean111 Aug 2013 #60
I'll take that as a yes. tridim Aug 2013 #86
oh noes!!!!!! djean111 Aug 2013 #100
Good question. historylovr Aug 2013 #59
+10 RC Aug 2013 #75
Silly DUer, INSURANCE will be affordable. Medical care, not so much. kestrel91316 Aug 2013 #73
for many the premiums will be unaffordable. Older people can be charged three times what a younger antigop Aug 2013 #88
I'm one of those "older people", so I am well aware. I qualify for a huge subsidy with my kestrel91316 Aug 2013 #107
can you get a teaching job or something -- something with healthcare? antigop Aug 2013 #108
A more relevant question that takes in yours is: burnsei sensei Aug 2013 #136
that's the problem I've had with the PPACA from day one. Medical bankruptcies will continue. antigop Aug 2013 #138
whittling it down, little by little. nt Javaman Aug 2013 #30
"businesses need more time to figure out how to comply with the new rules" - translation: Triana Aug 2013 #43
How so? Kolesar Aug 2013 #50
I'm sure they'll think of something. n/t Triana Aug 2013 #78
So WHO does Obama "care" about again? Because it certainly doesn't seem to be forestpath Aug 2013 #55
Here Kolesar Aug 2013 #64
Right-wing "news" sources cilla4progress Aug 2013 #67
Jesus Jumping Christ it's in the FUCKING FEDERAL REGISTER. Dreamer Tatum Aug 2013 #92
... cilla4progress Aug 2013 #119
NYT yesterday Skeeter Barnes Aug 2013 #97
Thanks. cilla4progress Aug 2013 #104
So, the question again...when do you think they will delay the refusal of pre-existing conditions? Safetykitten Aug 2013 #70
So now medical bankruptcies caused by lack of out-of-pocket kestrel91316 Aug 2013 #71
That's not what the article said Kolesar Aug 2013 #79
It seems to me they are trying to repeal all parts of the law that help THE PEOPLE loudsue Aug 2013 #76
"businesses" = corporate Obama and US government controllers. Is it funny yet? L0oniX Aug 2013 #81
They way things are going, I am beginning to wonder if Obama might repeal obamacare himself n2doc Aug 2013 #83
When do we get the affordable part? pediatricmedic Aug 2013 #90
wtf? "Businesses need more time...?" mike_c Aug 2013 #93
This Is Political Malpractice, Sir The Magistrate Aug 2013 #96
I agree Harmony Blue Aug 2013 #123
Since this part is delayed, so should the mandate be delayed TheProgressive Aug 2013 #99
Why am I not surprised area51 Aug 2013 #101
Sounds to me that they are pushing hard to delay implementation into 2016 in order to WCGreen Aug 2013 #103
wow the republicans can just sit back, obama will end up getting rid of obama care all by himself leftyohiolib Aug 2013 #106
It's really seeming like what he wanted was a sincere-looking effort and a failure... Chan790 Aug 2013 #118
...but the insurance companies have to return money of they make over 20% profit... Sancho Aug 2013 #112
A question for the ACA enthusiasts Jim Lane Aug 2013 #121
LOL Skittles Aug 2013 #122
starting to think Obamacare is a cruel joke /nt limpyhobbler Aug 2013 #125
what is left.. to rollback, other than the individual mandate? ..nt quadrature Aug 2013 #126
This is misleading in that a $2k deductible is the cap for an individual "silver" plan dflprincess Aug 2013 #127
Thanks for noting that...eom Kolesar Aug 2013 #130
As of this week, burnsei sensei Aug 2013 #133
It will not. You and I were sold to the insurance companies. The seller was The Democratic Party. Safetykitten Aug 2013 #137
We bought the tag lines, "access" Puzzledtraveller Aug 2013 #140
kick n/t area51 Aug 2013 #144
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