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Tue Oct 1, 2013, 11:30 AM

7. It's in keeping with the Libertarian idea that the parks should be in private hands. I've seen this

mentality growing for twenty years that only the rich should have access to such places.

As far as Liberty Island, the conspiracy crowd believes it's part of the banksters and not about what many were taught. These are not my views, but these folks are being fed this non-stop and it's their new religion and social structure.

And they have people lined up to get in on the taking of all publicly owned works. The shutdown benefits them in all ways, and they will push for it to be a permanent state of affairs. Then give control over everything to the local bosses. There will no alternate for people but to go begging to them, period.

It's a completely warped and grosteque reality. I do not think the parks will open up again any time soon. And here is why:

In states where the parks have been closed due to budget cuts, in time the public eventually accepts they no longer have access and move on to what's available to do. Privately owned, that is. If not, they stay home, separated from nature, many of them. Those who made a choice to live with less in the city for environmental reasons, but expected this asset to be available for recreation, will be denied.

And those that remain open with no supervision have become havens of militia or other undesirable activity. I've seen this with my own eyes and so have other people in my state, when a national forest is no longer supervised or maintained.

A citizen who still wants to go and enjoy nature, is confronted by bad roads, piles of garbage and junk cars where before their spirits were refreshed in seeing nature's beauty, towering trees, beautiful native plants, waterfalls and rivers.

Guys in 4X4s slinging their automatic weapons on their shoulders congregrate to plan their outlier fantasies. They look at anyone who tries to go down the bumpy, publicly owned roads as trespassers on their camp. Calls to have intimidating individuals removed are met by the same budget cuts and 2A cultists saying they have a right to be there for whatever purpose.

Believe me, when you run into this instead of what many expect a visit to a national park to be, after a while you give up, your world is that much smaller, and it's not a good feeling. You realize how much of what enriched your world is not yours anymore. You are, between the toll roads and the no trespassing signs with private security ready to escort you away, no longer 'free to move about' the country.

Most of these scenarios with state and municipal parks, some lovely pieces of land that were given to the public enter the mental realm of 'out of sight, out of mind.' If criminals set up residence or even if they do not, the developers are at the gates of the government saying they are wasted, or that they are a drag on the budget or a nuisance. The state then sells the land, now called unused assets, off to developers.

This is the reason behind defunding any government, to deny its laws, regulations and gifts democratically won and give the very same assets to those who pay for all of the propaganda. They use different memes to drive both sides to the same conclusions, that either government is not doing their job, when they have neglected the fact it was their job to learn about this, or stand by and allow grifters into government who line up and steal its assets, the last frontier of resources to make a fortune, hiding behind ideology.

I didn't make this reality, I simply have to live in it. And more people don't visit parks than do. Any of those landmarks, as far as the GOP, etc., is concerned, should be sold off to a private group and people have to pay well to visit it. If you can't afford the rates, you are a bum and not entitled to enjoy it.

I've seen this in promoted in small town newspapers for many years now. In some of those communities, they vote against public transportation, public pools, playgrounds, senior centers, child care, low cost housing, food programs, libraries, schools and the rest. If y don't have enough money to have a yard for your kids to play in, you don't deserve it, they say. And city folks who come out to enjoy nature do not deserve it, eiher, they say.

This is not the 1990s. The Preppers and Gun Cultists are ecstatic at the thought of government collapse finally coming to pass, the one sold them their opinion wanted to have happen.

Those who cannot wait in this uncertain job milieau, unpaid for government work ARE going elsewhere to use their talents. People must follow the money, they must be able to pay the bills and care for their own physical well being.

I see a very dangerous path in the next few months, and know Obama will try to navigate through this mine field and save lives, the government of We The People and the economy.

It's so much easier to talk tough when you don't care about those lives. So it's no wonder that the GOP are celebrating. They have no excuse for what they are doing, they don't need one. We are seeing raw power in action, just as surely as in any banana republic.

Take care of each other and stay united, or they'll pick us off one by one.


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