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The Magistrate

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26. And When You Started Cheerleading Secessionist Violence, Sir, There Were Human Lives Involved Too
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 02:45 PM
Jul 2014

After your mash note here you have relieved any of any obligation to take you seriously

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5169424

"Putin is rough, tough, and nobody's sweet-heart...." suggests you might better focus your energies on securing a gig doing cover blurbs for 'TwiLight Romance' or some other publisher of bodice-rippers.

It calls to mind comments by Orwell on left intellectuals in his day, in particular comments contained in 'Notes on Nationalism':

http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks03/0300011h.html#part30

"But there is a minority of intellectual pacifists whose real though unadmitted motive appears to be hatred of western democracy and admiration of totalitarianism. Pacifist propaganda usually boils down to saying that one side is as bad as the other, but if one looks closely at the writings of younger intellectual pacifists, one finds that they do not by any means express impartial disapproval but are directed almost entirely against Britain and the United States. Moreover they do not as a rule condemn violence as such, but only violence used in defence of western countries."

"All in all it is difficult not to feel that pacifism, as it appears among a section of the intelligentsia, is secretly inspired by an admiration for power and successful cruelty."

The maudlin hero-worship of your 'Putin is rough, tough, and nobody's sweet-heart...' fits perfectly into the mental attitude he describes.

Also Cuts Them Off From Supply, Sir.... The Magistrate Jul 2014 #1
They seem to be toast, Sir. Apparently they hope to make it expensive. nt bemildred Jul 2014 #4
I Tend To Agree, Sir The Magistrate Jul 2014 #5
If you remember Sir, some time back, I said: bemildred Jul 2014 #6
I Do, Sir The Magistrate Jul 2014 #8
I fear more of this Duckhunter935 Jul 2014 #15
Seems likely, nt bemildred Jul 2014 #21
Why Ukraine Can't Win An All-Out Military Victory, And Shouldn't Try bemildred Jul 2014 #2
I Disagree With Mr. Bremmer, Sir The Magistrate Jul 2014 #7
I would call it a gambit, he's a guy that likes to keep his options open. bemildred Jul 2014 #12
Blockade And slow Constriction Would Be My Course, Sir, Certainly The Magistrate Jul 2014 #13
I agree Duckhunter935 Jul 2014 #16
Conciliatory noises would be helpful too, and letting food in, and so on, like somebody said. bemildred Jul 2014 #24
Yes. If you look at a map, destroying bridges on the rivers entering Donetsk and JDPriestly Jul 2014 #43
Well, it's flat. No natural barriers except the rivers, perhaps some forests, and roads everywhere. bemildred Jul 2014 #64
I am not sure of the pronoun reference of "they" after the comma in this sentence. JDPriestly Jul 2014 #74
The Rebels are a combination of rebellious locals and outsiders come in to help. bemildred Jul 2014 #75
I think Putin dipped his toes in the East without committing himself for a swim. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2014 #31
But why would the Russian oligarchs want to take Ukraine? JDPriestly Jul 2014 #44
Same reason we invaded Iraq--access to energy deposits. geek tragedy Jul 2014 #45
All that gas, at the cost of losing a certain amount of its trade with Europe, its best JDPriestly Jul 2014 #49
Russia thought it could grab East Ukraine because geek tragedy Jul 2014 #50
Yes. Russia would have to invest a lot and would have to be willing to lose JDPriestly Jul 2014 #62
the gambit was whether he could defend it against Ukraine's military geek tragedy Jul 2014 #63
That Last Is The Point, Sir: It Had To be Done On The Down-Low Or It Could Not Be Done At All The Magistrate Jul 2014 #65
Mr. Putin purchased an option on invading Ukraine. geek tragedy Jul 2014 #77
You could ask the same question about Crimea. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2014 #46
I disgree with Mr. Bremmer too. bemildred Jul 2014 #52
The 'New Russia' Remark, Sir, Certainly Was A Mistake The Magistrate Jul 2014 #71
It is much easier to make messes than to clean them up. nt bemildred Jul 2014 #72
With Ukraine rebels on the ropes, some Russians ask: Where is Putin? bemildred Jul 2014 #3
Putin is pausing so everyone knows who is ballyhoo Jul 2014 #9
Not Much Of A Reason For A Man To Stay On The Firing Line, Sir The Magistrate Jul 2014 #11
I think he might be "forced" to do something, if it gets bloody enough for long enough. bemildred Jul 2014 #14
Agree 100 per cent. A lot may depend how ballyhoo Jul 2014 #18
Your Hopes Get more And More Ephemeral, Sir The Magistrate Jul 2014 #20
No. Financially, war in Ukraine is a loser for Russia. JDPriestly Jul 2014 #48
Well, it's interesting, Benton D Struckcheon Jul 2014 #10
I hope he chooses the path that protects ballyhoo Jul 2014 #17
China, If Anything, Is Licking Its Chops At The Opportunity Weakened Russia Presents, Sir The Magistrate Jul 2014 #22
Indeed, and Moscow would also have to face an even more humiliating reality: geek tragedy Jul 2014 #78
And Even More Humiliating Than That, Sir The Magistrate Jul 2014 #79
the question is how much the Chinese are willing to pretend geek tragedy Jul 2014 #80
I think it is a mistake to assume Putin planned all this. bemildred Jul 2014 #19
Yeah, I got nothing against that. Benton D Struckcheon Jul 2014 #23
Some of the comments on this string are disturbing . . . another_liberal Jul 2014 #25
And When You Started Cheerleading Secessionist Violence, Sir, There Were Human Lives Involved Too The Magistrate Jul 2014 #26
Except for the fact . . . another_liberal Jul 2014 #28
Of Course You Are Being Quoted, Sir: Follow The Link The Magistrate Jul 2014 #32
Follow it yourself, and read more carefully . . . another_liberal Jul 2014 #68
Thank You For The Laugh, Sir The Magistrate Jul 2014 #69
Have fun, Magi. another_liberal Jul 2014 #70
Perhaps if you were more specific? nt bemildred Jul 2014 #27
I'll leave it for others to judge . . . another_liberal Jul 2014 #29
OK. nt bemildred Jul 2014 #30
...but not at all surprising. Union Scribe Jul 2014 #33
Yes . . . another_liberal Jul 2014 #67
The good guys are winning. joshcryer Jul 2014 #38
Good guys? another_liberal Jul 2014 #66
Ukraine tycoon pleads for city’s safety after rebels vow to make stand bemildred Jul 2014 #34
Let Him Buy Out The Shootists, Then, Sir The Magistrate Jul 2014 #36
Ukraine Forces Working to Block Donetsk bemildred Jul 2014 #35
Is It Curtains For Ukraine's Pro-Russia Rebels? Army Moves In To Re-Take Final Eastern Cities bemildred Jul 2014 #37
In some cases it's a good thing for the seccessionist cause. Igel Jul 2014 #39
I think it would be good time for them to leave while they still can. nt bemildred Jul 2014 #40
The Catherina Crowd is scurrying like crazy as well. nt Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2014 #47
I pity them, falling for propaganda so easily. joshcryer Jul 2014 #51
I don't. Benton D Struckcheon Jul 2014 #53
I Tend To Agree, Sir The Magistrate Jul 2014 #55
Reading now. Thx. n/t Benton D Struckcheon Jul 2014 #61
I'll have to assume then that you're in favour dipsydoodle Jul 2014 #58
You may not. Benton D Struckcheon Jul 2014 #60
Putin's silence on Slaviansk signals desire to de-escalate Ukraine crisis bemildred Jul 2014 #41
Ukrainians seek EU asylum as conflict goes on bemildred Jul 2014 #42
Tymoshenko counts on EU assistance in ending war in eastern regions dipsydoodle Jul 2014 #54
Pictures Duckhunter935 Jul 2014 #56
Maybe with a crane. Take a while. bemildred Jul 2014 #57
I agree Duckhunter935 Jul 2014 #59
Another bridge blown up in Donbas dipsydoodle Jul 2014 #73
Ukraine says no more unilateral ceasefires bemildred Jul 2014 #76
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