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75. "The credibility of the NGO's shall remain suspect." There is no proof you would accept otherwise

Wed Sep 3, 2014, 12:49 PM

Sep 2014

so I accept your conclusion. Guilty until proven innocent. Since there is no evidence, innocence can not be proven. The NGO must be presumed to be guilty.

I find it troubling that the government determined the Soldiers' Mothers of St Petersburg to be a 'foreign agent' the week after they released information about Russian troops that the government wanted concealed. Of course, no audit (done by a Russian firm) was released at the time of that determination.

The government made a decision to repress an independent voice, timed as punishment for the release of a human rights report ("political activity&quot and without releasing any evidence that the NGO is foreign-funded.

But Vlad can do no wrong. You are welcome to your trust his government.

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... Javaman Sep 2014 #34

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clever misinformation cosmicone Sep 2014 #8

The 15,000 figure seems to have come from a Russian NGO, Committee of Soldiers' Mothers. pampango Sep 2014 #13

The same logic applies cosmicone Sep 2014 #14

Lol, its always funny jamzrockz Sep 2014 #15

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Just imagine this jamzrockz Sep 2014 #17

They won't get it n/t cosmicone Sep 2014 #20

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Ukraine It had a Democratically electected pre Coup too Billy Budd Sep 2014 #37

And your proof of such a "coup"? nt Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #38

which one ...which country Billy Budd Sep 2014 #39

Ukraine, silly. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #42

you define it then what was it Billy Budd Sep 2014 #49

I'll let Webster's define it for me. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #50

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So who was the small group? And how was Yanukovych forcibly removed from the country? nt Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #52

that is a question for Billy Budd Sep 2014 #53

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"Most likely controlled by western govt's" geek tragedy Sep 2014 #24

But a large group of soldiers' mothers may be able to piece together information from pampango Sep 2014 #18

Now you're stretching it cosmicone Sep 2014 #19

And any effort to determine that number without the consent of the 'top military leadership' is pampango Sep 2014 #25

You're putting words in my mouth (or keyboard) that I didn't type cosmicone Sep 2014 #27

And who says that this "Committee of Soldiers' Mothers" is a funded by Western interests? pampango Sep 2014 #30

Has anyone actually seen 200+ death certificates cosmicone Sep 2014 #35

"Like I said, you choose to believe things that you want to be true. I am a skeptic." pampango Sep 2014 #40

Climate change and forensic evidence is not subjective cosmicone Sep 2014 #43

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I'd like to see the audited financial statements cosmicone Sep 2014 #48

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No. cosmicone Sep 2014 #64

That type of audit cannot happen. It is prohibited under the 2012 NGO law Putin signed. pampango Sep 2014 #69

awwwww too bad cosmicone Sep 2014 #71

And yet you were willing to accept an audit done by an international accounting firm. pampango Sep 2014 #73

A lot of rhetoricical conjectures but no proof that cosmicone Sep 2014 #74

"The credibility of the NGO's shall remain suspect." There is no proof you would accept otherwise pampango Sep 2014 #75

There is another point of view cosmicone Sep 2014 #76

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Would their own words suffice? reorg Sep 2014 #68

Until July 2012 it was perfectly legal for NGO's in Russia (as in all but the most authoritarian pampango Sep 2014 #70

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Sweet Beloved Pootie. TwilightGardener Sep 2014 #59

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