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18. On LGBT rights and attitudes you can't distringuish (truthfully) Russia and Ukraine

Fri Oct 31, 2014, 02:09 AM

Oct 2014

They are both behind in their attitudes. Ukraine has the heaviest population of conservative Fundamentalist Christians in Europe. It was the "favorite" of these groups for missionary activity. The government even allowed missionaries to conduct activities there in schools for a while.

It is so difficult to try and cut through the narratives that are political and not reality based.

Yes, it is possible to make Russia look worse, as indeed there are incidents. But I have posted here multiple times sources that show that Russia and Ukraine have similar records on LGBT rights. That is just fact.

Russia is also often touted as having more antisemitism which is totally manufactured. Ukraine is rated higher as are a number of East European EU countries.

I write this stuff from firsthand knowledge. Man, for a democratic site this place has real trouble dealing with facts over politics.

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Russian politician says Apple CEO Tim Cook 'should be banned' from country after coming out as gay [View all] Newsjock Oct 2014 OP

Ramblings of a totally fucked up individual! Sheer evilness on display in the form of a politician! RKP5637 Oct 2014 #1

Did he tweet that out using his iPhone6? NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #2

Sounds like someone secretly has the hots for a certain CEO rurallib Oct 2014 #3

No iPhones for you!! longship Oct 2014 #4

Ebola? EBOLA? WTF? nt alp227 Oct 2014 #5

Putin's anti-gay Russia and then there's this idiot making the head Dictator all proud. Cha Oct 2014 #6

One day they'll advance into the late twentieth century. NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #7

Maybe. :( Cha Oct 2014 #8

Just wait. They Putinistas will soon appear rpannier Oct 2014 #13

They're everywhere.. pushing how great Putin's Russia is and how bad our Country is.. I really wish Cha Oct 2014 #14

They're heeeerrrrree! Behind the Aegis Oct 2014 #20

Yes davidpdx Oct 2014 #29

Fuck all Homophobic Russians. King_David Nov 2014 #46

Works for us leftofcool Oct 2014 #9

They should stop using anything invented by gays or minorities. 7962 Oct 2014 #10

+1 n/t area51 Nov 2014 #55

And disown Tchaikovsky. closeupready Nov 2014 #57

If Apple products are in Russia... SoapBox Oct 2014 #11

Meanwhile the life expectancy of hetero Russian males is 58 and the birthrate is zero. Monk06 Oct 2014 #12

How many BS statements can one spew in one post? MattSh Oct 2014 #21

Thank you newthinking Nov 2014 #36

And this one is 5 years old... MattSh Oct 2014 #22

I should have mentioned Russian men whose drinking behavior was the object of this study. Monk06 Oct 2014 #33

The birth rate is zero? daleo Nov 2014 #45

Should have said stagnant not zero Monk06 Nov 2014 #49

O NOES! sakabatou Oct 2014 #15

Russia has rightests that say crazy things just like we do. newthinking Oct 2014 #16

Heh. "Most of whom are fairly moderate." joshcryer Oct 2014 #17

On LGBT rights and attitudes you can't distringuish (truthfully) Russia and Ukraine newthinking Oct 2014 #18

OP is about Russia. joshcryer Oct 2014 #27

+1000 JustAnotherGen Oct 2014 #31

Fuck the Russian Homophobes, King_David Nov 2014 #47

Antigay Pastor Says 'Upscale Sodomites' Spread Ebola at Starbucks newthinking Oct 2014 #19

Pastor, not elected official. joshcryer Oct 2014 #26

Mahalo for this, josh.. Look at the Putin Protector trying to distract with ugly RWingers in America Cha Oct 2014 #24

ah yes.. the obligatory Putin Protector... like Clockwork.. trying to Distract from Putin's Russian Cha Oct 2014 #23

Your approach is heavily politicized. I am an intellectual and deal in trying to inject honesty into newthinking Nov 2014 #35

And so modest! Adrahil Nov 2014 #51

Feel better now? newthinking Nov 2014 #54

Yes and Yes. Adrahil Nov 2014 #56

'Recognizing same-sex unions brings us closer to apocalypse' - Head of Russian Orthodox Church muriel_volestrangler Oct 2014 #25

Putin has been promoting the anti-gay idiocy for the past few years rpannier Oct 2014 #32

What? The US has homophobes? ozone_man Nov 2014 #50

Louie Gohmerts genes Turbineguy Oct 2014 #28

But...but...but... Russia is MISUNDERSTOOD??? PUTIN is a GOOD guy...! He doesn't MEAN it!!!! MADem Oct 2014 #30

Also, remember that at some time, some where, someone in the US was a bigot! chrisa Nov 2014 #37

Ha ha ha! But of course--how could I forget!!!! nt MADem Nov 2014 #38

Exactly, chrisa.. but that shite doesn't with thinking people and neither does the ol hypocritical.. Cha Nov 2014 #40

And, I get told my "approach is heavily politicized".. Rofl.. by pointing out that Putin is a Cha Nov 2014 #39

Putin-Palin 2016!!!!! MADem Nov 2014 #41

Yeah, they're both full of Moose shite! Cha Nov 2014 #42

I think Putin probably a closet case. King_David Nov 2014 #48

Many of the comments on the story link are anti-gay and homophobic. yellowcanine Nov 2014 #34

This is just barbaric Shankapotomus Nov 2014 #43

Yeah, I'm sure Cook would be heartbroken to be banned from Russia theHandpuppet Nov 2014 #44

But where will he his.... Adrahil Nov 2014 #52

Interesting remark because... lexx21 Nov 2014 #53

'Milonov' is the Russian word for 'Santorum'? LeftishBrit Nov 2014 #58