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LiberalLovinLug

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111. You are asking me to prove a hypothetical

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 03:22 PM

Apr 2016

Obviously it is my opinion, based on the polling info I have available. Just as it is your opinion that he would not get enough votes.
Unless you have a link showing that Bernie would lose as an independent?

I do take umbrage with your interpretation, your projection, of Bernie's reason for running. Using terms like "cynical opportunism", and a "self serving political stunt". I guess if after listening to Sanders speak, not taking Wall Street money and instead small donations, and his long history of standing up for civil rights, you believe that he is only in this for himself, then I'll never convince you. So you think Hillary Clinton, or for that matter Trump or Cruz, is less of a self serving cynical opportunist for running for President?

You have a funny interpretation of "integrity". So if he'd just drop his core principles, traditional Democratic principles, and bowed to the corporate neo-liberal establishment candidate, you'd respect him more? Not me.

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Yes, Bernie Sanders is not a Democrat and Hillary represents the very worst of the party/SALON [View all] Mira Apr 2016 OP

She's NOT a democrat. onecaliberal Apr 2016 #1

been saying that!! oldandhappy Apr 2016 #6

Yes she is. Cassiopeia Apr 2016 #12

So if you are correct can you tell me who I am? jwirr Apr 2016 #69

I have no idea what to call the left anymore. Cassiopeia Apr 2016 #75

Yes you are right about that but I am old enough that I hate jwirr Apr 2016 #81

K & R. Same. The party must be reclaimed, also the term 'liberal' that's been misused by cons. appalachiablue Apr 2016 #113

She is THE democrat mindwalker_i Apr 2016 #19

This message was self-deleted by its author felix_numinous Apr 2016 #33

She is, as is Bernie... both are Democrats. mwooldri Apr 2016 #61

If she goes to the General, say hello to president trump. onecaliberal Apr 2016 #65

And if she wins there are going to be even more indies. jwirr Apr 2016 #74

She's a neoDemocrat LiberalLovinLug Apr 2016 #92

Dems: so bad they're responsibly for every piece of legislative progress in our lifetimes. CrowCityDem Apr 2016 #2

is that supposed to be an argument or something stupidicus Apr 2016 #7

And they have been dismal at pushing that agenda. Gore1FL Apr 2016 #9

Yes. MynameisBlarney Apr 2016 #11

That may be true Cassiopeia Apr 2016 #14

more like over age 6. Amimnoch Apr 2016 #57

So if the USA is the next best thing to paradise... MattSh Apr 2016 #131

You won't answer Uponthegears Apr 2016 #38

***crickets*** freebrew Apr 2016 #52

chirp chirp. Amimnoch Apr 2016 #63

How about just in the last 8? Amimnoch Apr 2016 #62

Nice job in not responding Uponthegears Apr 2016 #104

blah blah blah. Nice attempt at trying to change the question. Amimnoch Apr 2016 #106

Nice job Uponthegears Apr 2016 #127

Back at ya. Amimnoch Apr 2016 #129

It's not Uponthegears Apr 2016 #132

Take a close look at that list. Amimnoch Apr 2016 #137

As sometimes happens Uponthegears Apr 2016 #143

Impressive wall of text. Cassiopeia Apr 2016 #108

ahhh, and there's the cherry picked ones I'd foretold. Amimnoch Apr 2016 #109

You're welcome Cassiopeia Apr 2016 #110

everything republicans want back- no regulations for drug corps, insurance can refuse or dump people Sunlei Apr 2016 #139

Jury results: (Believe it or not, someone alerted on this.) 11 Bravo Apr 2016 #136

Thankful for a reasonable jury. Amimnoch Apr 2016 #138

Love Obama Sunlei Apr 2016 #140

^^^^^^^^^This x1000 ^^^^^^^^ HillareeeHillaraah Apr 2016 #64

Yes! johnp3907 Apr 2016 #68

Not in the last few decades. Nixon had more progressive legislation than Obama. rhett o rick Apr 2016 #115

No shit, the EPA was Nixon's doing and have to mention it worked better back then than it does now mrdmk Apr 2016 #135

Nixon = EPA. FighttheFuture Apr 2016 #122

An Independant run is warranted at this time Skink Apr 2016 #3

If it had been a fair process, I would disagree with you, but given the wholesale fraud FlatBaroque Apr 2016 #5

Ditto (Agreed) Rass Apr 2016 #50

+1 jwirr Apr 2016 #78

Agree, after the sham way Bernie's been treated by the DNC, M$M, all bets are off! appalachiablue Apr 2016 #114

That would be a terrific way to hand the Whitehouse to the GOP Orrex Apr 2016 #30

Except for the facts LiberalLovinLug Apr 2016 #93

Really? Please post a link. Orrex Apr 2016 #95

Sure thing LiberalLovinLug Apr 2016 #99

Really? Orrex Apr 2016 #100

You know just because you bold your text doesn't help your argument LiberalLovinLug Apr 2016 #102

If there's no poll data, then you absolutely can't make claims about his chances Orrex Apr 2016 #105

You are asking me to prove a hypothetical LiberalLovinLug Apr 2016 #111

He's openly criticized Democrats for years, and he hasn't campaigned for them. Orrex Apr 2016 #112

wtf LiberalLovinLug Apr 2016 #130

You explicitly presented your "projection" as fact Orrex Apr 2016 #133

Lets just agree to disagree and move on LiberalLovinLug Apr 2016 #147

No candidate in history has represented my "personal values" Orrex Apr 2016 #148

people who hate the Democratic party already have geek tragedy Apr 2016 #37

If Bernie is not the nominee greymouse Apr 2016 #40

What I worry about is that if we let her move the country jwirr Apr 2016 #84

K N R-ed Faux pas Apr 2016 #4

Democratic Party liberal from boston Apr 2016 #21

K/R Jack Rabbit Apr 2016 #8

This is what is to be expected when both Parties are backed by the same wealthy Donors! Dustlawyer Apr 2016 #35

I definitely agree. TryLogic Apr 2016 #45

This election will be the culmination of two trends; lumberjack_jeff Apr 2016 #10

As long as that obscene wealth can buy the votes of the ill informed FlatBaroque Apr 2016 #17

Also states like WI, AZ, RI and probably more closing many polling places appalachiablue Apr 2016 #116

"expose to millions upon millions of Americans just how reactionary and corrupt the Democratic Party scottie55 Apr 2016 #13

I wish the peasants were revolting mindwalker_i Apr 2016 #22

You're right. tom_kelly Apr 2016 #82

Also, lowering wages means people have to work a whole lot more mindwalker_i Apr 2016 #86

I Disagree The River Apr 2016 #89

That's a slightly more, ehrm, direct way of putting it mindwalker_i Apr 2016 #98

K & R !!! Thespian2 Apr 2016 #15

Clintonism is what makes the Democratic party suck ass / FlatBaroque Apr 2016 #16

Thank you, A great article. LiberalArkie Apr 2016 #18

But There's No "Proof" Hillary Is Corrupt scottie55 Apr 2016 #20

Do they have to report where the foundation money spends? n/t tom_kelly Apr 2016 #83

Finally we are seeing the horrible fact that Hillary whereisjustice Apr 2016 #23

Bingo. scottie55 Apr 2016 #25

+5 Check. appalachiablue Apr 2016 #118

Bernie Is What I Consider A "REAL" Democrat scottie55 Apr 2016 #24

Here is the real deal, after eight years of the Clinton Administration and all we got eight years of mrdmk Apr 2016 #141

What has Bernie Sanders done for the Democratic Party? liberal N proud Apr 2016 #26

Wrong question. truebluegreen Apr 2016 #39

I hope Bernie never starts acting like a Democrat, LibDemAlways Apr 2016 #42

Bernie Sanders co-founded what is now the largest Democratic Caucus in the US Congress Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #44

If you read this article, you wouldn't find it convincing to argue that Bernie is not bjo59 Apr 2016 #71

All about the Democratic Party snort Apr 2016 #88

You are not familiar with his 24 years in Congress. roody Apr 2016 #96

Two Words Tommy2Tone Apr 2016 #27

Bush-Lite, I was always partial to Rolling Rock myself, would only drink it if there was nothing AuntPatsy Apr 2016 #28

K&R. Things are headed in a very ominous direction, IMHO. closeupready Apr 2016 #29

So obvious it shouldn't need saying. Jester Messiah Apr 2016 #31

Too bad, so sad MyNameGoesHere Apr 2016 #32

The voters strongly prefer Clinton. This causes geek tragedy Apr 2016 #34

I take issue with this. Sparkly Apr 2016 #36

Hold off on your attacks on our party history Uponthegears Apr 2016 #41

I'm not sure about "her version" of the party's accomplishments Sparkly Apr 2016 #51

Of course the Party wasn't perfect in the 1950s, truebluegreen Apr 2016 #46

"Miles better on economic issues" Sparkly Apr 2016 #55

I've heard and read all I need to about her proposals and positions, thanks. truebluegreen Apr 2016 #58

Where is she "to the right of Obama," please? Sparkly Apr 2016 #60

Since you are so knowledgable about her positions truebluegreen Apr 2016 #66

Can you provide evidence of her "unabated devotion to neoliberalism," please? Sparkly Apr 2016 #145

So you think the poor women and children today are better off after Clinton's appalachiablue Apr 2016 #123

In some regards, yes. Sparkly Apr 2016 #146

How many millionaires send their children to LibDemAlways Apr 2016 #47

Read it again. Sparkly Apr 2016 #56

Absolutely agree, but what are our upcoming options? earthmanneil Apr 2016 #43

D) Nominating Bernie. n/t Admiral Loinpresser Apr 2016 #48

Yes, the preferred option... earthmanneil Apr 2016 #72

It is definitely possible. Admiral Loinpresser Apr 2016 #85

I am a delegate for Bernie and I am going to volunteer to jwirr Apr 2016 #90

Standard Ben Norton article oberliner Apr 2016 #49

K&R n/t w0nderer Apr 2016 #53

I agree. It's time for the third way to go or start a new party. bbgrunt Apr 2016 #54

So much wrong here I don't know where to start. LisaM Apr 2016 #59

"On top of that, he seems to be an egoist."...you are quite an astute observer of politicians, eh? islandmkl Apr 2016 #67

Most people running for President have an ego. LisaM Apr 2016 #80

Radical was anti Civil Rights, John Bircher, Libertarian Barry Goldwater who appalachiablue Apr 2016 #120

I think your meds need an adjustment. FighttheFuture Apr 2016 #124

Salon blows goat. johnp3907 Apr 2016 #70

Well, bless your heart! GoneOffShore Apr 2016 #73

Hillary Clinton will still win the Democratic nomination and be elected President. George II Apr 2016 #76

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TPP, Climate Change too. appalachiablue Apr 2016 #121

POW LittleGirl Apr 2016 #77

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do you know why? Baobab Apr 2016 #119

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1out of 2 isn't bad. Nitram Apr 2016 #97

Bernie is a Democrat, for life I might add, as announced already. Not only that, but he silvershadow Apr 2016 #103

This message was self-deleted by its author mrr303am Apr 2016 #117

Welcome to the madness here at D.U. mrdmk Apr 2016 #142

Bravo! Carolina Apr 2016 #125

Wouldn't it be great if there were a Jesus President who could magically satisfy the wants and needs The_Casual_Observer Apr 2016 #126

Obama Has Done Some Good colsohlibgal Apr 2016 #128

... Scuba Apr 2016 #134

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