Sam Seder vs. Libertarian caller

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2. Consent of the governed

Legitimate govt has the consent of the governed. Our government is supposed to be made up of the people. We are the government. We form governments to have a set of agreed upon rules and processes to live by to protect the general welfare and provide for the common defense. To claim that the best way to organize ourselves is through the voluntary interactions between individuals is to advocate not only eliminating government but business as well and any other organization. Otherwise just getting rid of govt leaves an opening for business, or the church, to fill in the gap and become the government. Then you no longer have a government of the people. Yes govt has corruption, but so does business, churches and other organizations. When the level of corruption becomes untenable you don't get rid of govt or business you replace it with something better and the whole cycle begins again.

A society of voluntary interactions between independent individuals has never existed and never will. Even back in our stone age hunter gather days there were hierarchies within tribal groups and family bands and there were rules within and between these groups that governed individual interactions. Don't follow the rules and you would be an outcast.