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Hubert Flottz

(37,726 posts)
56. Oh they had plenty of reason/motive...
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 02:05 AM
Dec 2014

And the GOP is exactly right about this being "political," IMHO.

Set the way-back machine back to pre 2004 election campaign time. Karl Rove's "War President" needed a political victory in the cluster-fuck that Iraq had turned into. No WMDs, no end to the fighting, Saddam and Bin Laden still loose, so in order to find Saddam and score a political victory in time for the 2004 political campaign for president, Rove Cheney and the neocon hordes decided to turn up the heat in places like Abu Ghraib and Gitmo. Up popped the old Gestapo justification for their "Verschärfte Vernehmung" Bush's pet lawyers like Yoo and Gonzales and Addington, based on old Nazi "legal" reasoning made torture "LEGAL" and the CIA went medieval/GESTAPO on applying the Gestapo techniques right down to the use of attack dogs on unarmed restrained POWs.

It really was "POLITICAL," like the GOP is saying...I can see no other reason for their "justification" of these crimes. The motive was there. The stage was set and General Miller, who had set up the torture program at GITMO, was transferred to Iraq to show the boys how it was to be done.

http://www.theatlantic.com/.../-versch-auml-rfte.../228158/

The statute of limitation, still hasn't run out on those WWII era torturers and murderers. This needs to be addressed and sorted out, before some day, torture becomes the norm in our own country,(if it hasn't already) buy a bunch of maniacs, like the neocon war criminals holding all the political cards again someday.

The GOP is also raising holy hell today, about the ACA being "unread," before it was voted on, but they never said a damned word about the Patriot Act, being passed without being read.

"The program was authorized." underpants Dec 2014 #1
My head hurts just trying to imagine what NoMoreRepugs Dec 2014 #2
I suspect you are correct. Pacifist Patriot Dec 2014 #3
Let's Get Some Things Straight Here DallasNE Dec 2014 #31
thank you - one of O's first acts was to end torture as US policy wordpix Dec 2014 #47
+1! nt MADem Dec 2014 #55
oh yea , Obama would be in Gitmo right now as a prisoner. SummerSnow Dec 2014 #68
Bottom Line ..... the torture did not work because why was bin Laden alive all those years later? Botany Dec 2014 #4
That's the truth and they can never undo it. n/t Elmer S. E. Dump Dec 2014 #37
Sadly the truth has never been a problem for "them" Botany Dec 2014 #53
The only place I want see this asshole is in jail! santamargarita Dec 2014 #5
I don't think he regrets a single thing! young_at_heart Dec 2014 #6
these pyschopaths do not regret anything - they don't feel anything for anyone outside their circle samsingh Dec 2014 #7
Very true. hue Dec 2014 #9
I used to be proud of this country Plucketeer Dec 2014 #8
This has been the way of the CIA since its beginning WhiteTara Dec 2014 #28
Aided every step of the way by USAID (CIA cover). Elmer S. E. Dump Dec 2014 #38
Confessions of an Economic Hitman hibbing Dec 2014 #52
No. I just have a little inside info. Elmer S. E. Dump Dec 2014 #61
My New Defense for Any Future Crime Ccarmona Dec 2014 #10
Written 03/16/2009: Call it Torture hue Dec 2014 #11
Great save. (nt) proverbialwisdom Dec 2014 #27
It was their porn. Torture porn. n/t BellaKos Dec 2014 #57
S&M L0oniX Dec 2014 #64
"History will judge"...that was Hitler's refrain, wasn't it? True Blue Door Dec 2014 #12
Don't have to wait for history. lark Dec 2014 #13
Of COURSE torture worked.... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2014 #14
so does that mean patriots are torturers? samsingh Dec 2014 #15
Yes. If you misuse and utterly pervert the word "patriot". calimary Dec 2014 #18
"Illegal Torture For No Reason" rock Dec 2014 #16
My friends and I once played dart game with pictures of Bush and Cheney on board.... TRoN33 Dec 2014 #17
dart games are legal in the US, so it wasnt torture. SummerSnow Dec 2014 #69
$80 million? Demeter Dec 2014 #19
Fuck you George W. Bush 47of74 Dec 2014 #20
One of the things that revolts me the most... LeftishBrit Dec 2014 #21
Indeed. Have you ever read this? It's about a year old or so..more info: Jefferson23 Dec 2014 #23
Horrendous LeftishBrit Dec 2014 #26
We will reap what we sow.... mtngirl47 Dec 2014 #22
Thank you for posting, EarlG. Adding a link: Jefferson23 Dec 2014 #24
The world tried to tell you about this War Horse Dec 2014 #25
I am so ashamed of this country... RoccoR5955 Dec 2014 #29
The CIA DonCoquixote Dec 2014 #30
Fuck it, I'm an American! obxhead Dec 2014 #32
Reading the report is putting Cheney into the Christmas spirit aint_no_life_nowhere Dec 2014 #33
Wrong. There was a reason. Cheap_Trick Dec 2014 #34
It shows the lack of respect from top to bottom for human rights, for other humans..... marble falls Dec 2014 #35
Bush's CIA Engaged in Brutal, Illegal Torture for no reason........ wagepeace Dec 2014 #36
Wow, the top CIA lawyer is on CNN destroying Chimpco and Feinstein aint_no_life_nowhere Dec 2014 #39
Diane is a war profiteer, that's why Dont call me Shirley Dec 2014 #40
The top of the elitest pyramid must be taken down Dont call me Shirley Dec 2014 #41
The Feds get off on that sh!t - SOCIOPATHS blkmusclmachine Dec 2014 #42
Who said it was for no reason? Man from Pickens Dec 2014 #43
WORST PRESIDENT EVER!!!!!!!!! Initech Dec 2014 #44
yes, they're real patriots, chaining people up & killing them with hypothermia wordpix Dec 2014 #45
Patriots still need rules and guidance bhikkhu Dec 2014 #46
Andrea Mitchell on Rachel implies she's not happy b/c Holder hasn't charged anyone wordpix Dec 2014 #48
Wow - coming from Andrea that really says a lot. I agree with her completely!! jillan Dec 2014 #50
I missed the show last night... Stellar Dec 2014 #62
oh, there were any number of reasons: they are all sick, perverted thugs, greedy and niyad Dec 2014 #49
And the 5 assholes that gave him the WH on the SC would do it again... NoJusticeNoPeace Dec 2014 #51
Sadists and probably some Masochists too... SoapBox Dec 2014 #54
Oh they had plenty of reason/motive... Hubert Flottz Dec 2014 #56
Illegal, immoral and useless Fortinbras Armstrong Dec 2014 #58
America is having fits about war crimes polynomial Dec 2014 #59
Welcome to DU Polynomial Hubert Flottz Dec 2014 #60
Whodathunk Bush was into S & M? L0oniX Dec 2014 #63
The TRUE test of America is in the future, will they round up and sammy750 Dec 2014 #65
Another reason to bring those that tortured to trial is that many of the GOP lawmakers are sammy750 Dec 2014 #66
Im watching Nicole Wallace on "The View" .. SummerSnow Dec 2014 #67
not in my name irisblue Dec 2014 #70
Torturing people to save lives Doc Holliday Dec 2014 #71
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