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Peace Patriot

(24,010 posts)
140. Thank you, LiberalLoveLug! Your analysis is right on!
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 06:06 PM
Jun 2016

" pro-corporate...

"pro military intervention...

"pro-Wall Street...

"pro-TPP...

"pro-old energy and fracking...

"anti-universal health care...

"anti-$15 minimum wage...

"anti-free college."

Where is the difference between Clinton and Trump?

Gay rights and women's rights--and Clinton was very late on gay rights (supported DOMA, for godssakes!) and is clearly going to ally with RW's who are out to control women's bodies, by compromising on 3rd trimester abortions. I'd say gay rights and women's rights are in peril from Clinton as well. They are merely political cannon fodder to her. She has no deep commitment to anything except making money and gaining power to cover her money-making tracks.

There couldn't be a worse Democratic nominee! This is why she's losing to Trump in the polls. She's not only disliked and profoundly distrusted, but also, when people penetrate even the first level of Clinton policy, they don't find a progressive or a woman of the people, they find fracking and Wall Street!

Most Americans want progressive policies and elected representatives who are pro-people, and they turn away from Clinton in confusion and even fright, when they see she isn't who she says she is. She is not a liberal, except for her manipulation of women's issues and gay issues into political capital (and even with that, poor women's rights to a living wage, to child care, to affordable health care, to education are not included--it's feminism for the elite). She is not even a Democrat, in my opinion.

And here you really nail it, LiberalLovinLug!

The Clintons "just can't forsake their crowning achievement, almost completed, a lifelong plan to transform the Democratic party from a workers/people's party to a Third Way corporatist run business."


She even ran the State Department as a private business--with the scumbag Saudis on one line, getting U.S. weapons with which to acquire Yemen, and Bill on the other line, raking in billions to the Clinton Foundation from the same parties. A private email server, indeed!

If we're going to have devious Third Way Democrats in the White House again, who might throw some crumbs to the peasants, the least we can ask for is the competence to erase their private email server completely. I mean, I just stop there. This is Nixonian incompetence! And we think we're going to get a $12/hr minimum wage from four years of RW moronic impeachment hearings?!

The last time this happened to the Clintons, we ordinary people not only gained no ground, we saw Glass-Steagall repealed followed by the inevitable bankster crash, with an interim of trillion dollar war debt and piles of dead bodies.

The Clintons are going to collapse all these things together--deregulation, banksterism, privatization, war and the mind-boggling Nixonian incompetence of leaving a trail a mile wide back to their devious deeds.

Spare me, Lord! Please spare me this GE campaign, if Clinton is the nominee! Spare me the next four years if either them, Clinton or Trump, becomes president! I don't think our democracy and our Mother Earth can survive it. We are all too battered by this kabuki theatre at the top. Not a shred of honor or sincerity anywhere we look! Oh, wait....

Wait! Can you hear it? A song...a dream...from surfer country...

"California dreamin' ...on a winter's day..."!

Honor and sincerity in abundance to warm our wintry souls! Honor and sincerity offered--will we take it?



I guess progressives can vote for Trump but I doubt it. Trust Buster Jun 2016 #1
Clinton is apples Sanders is oranges...that is something that is not coming across to bkkyosemite Jun 2016 #5
I still doubt that progressives will vote for Trump. You seem to have an extreme definition of Trust Buster Jun 2016 #8
Seems rather that you have a limited definition KPN Jun 2016 #44
Agreed, she is neo-con with her foot on the brakes, far from progressive larkrake Jun 2016 #66
Some like both apples and oranges. emulatorloo Jun 2016 #12
Thread Winner ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #132
In March I chose orange over apple, but, choose apple in Nov over Trump's version of orange. blm Jun 2016 #64
Watch out. They'll take away your progressive card for saying that......LOL Trust Buster Jun 2016 #78
My adherence to reality and fairness got me banned from HRC and Sanders groups. blm Jun 2016 #82
That is sad to hear. We need more good posters like you. Every position doesn't have to be seen Trust Buster Jun 2016 #86
Keep it up, reality is sorely lacking on DU larkrake Jun 2016 #114
Trump's version is Agent Orange. nt Buzz cook Jun 2016 #92
Except Trump used deferments to avoid being EXPOSED to Agent Orange in Vietnam. blm Jun 2016 #93
There is no arrogance intended. What I said is the truth. The difference is too large and bkkyosemite Jun 2016 #122
Trump WH is reality and not many of my neighbors and friends can afford what I can afford if I chose blm Jun 2016 #144
Hillary is already winning over everyone lewebley3 Jun 2016 #26
Delusional much Carolina Jun 2016 #128
no way larkrake Jun 2016 #51
A real progressive would NEVER vote for Trump. mudstump Jun 2016 #75
Hillary is closer to Trumps policies than Sanders - that's a problem for progs LiberalLovinLug Jun 2016 #94
Ridiculous. Bernie and Hillary agree 93% of the time. Hillary was one of the most redstateblues Jun 2016 #102
correction LiberalLovinLug Jun 2016 #110
Thank you, LiberalLoveLug! Your analysis is right on! Peace Patriot Jun 2016 #140
On MSM they keep saying over and over (as if to memorize it) they will come together bkkyosemite Jun 2016 #2
They will and the polls show its already happening lewebley3 Jun 2016 #27
rigged like everything else in this primary. bkkyosemite Jun 2016 #136
You can only speak for yourself, not all independents brush Jun 2016 #32
It's not just about independents. KPN Jun 2016 #47
I get that you're a Bernie or Buster. That's not hard to get. You keep repeating it. brush Jun 2016 #59
Your response indicates to me that you indeed don't get it. KPN Jun 2016 #65
Keep blaming Clinton but Sanders and his campaign only have themselves to blame . . . brush Jun 2016 #88
So is that it? Lol. You truly don't get much of KPN Jun 2016 #115
Well, if electing Clinton is a fail, Bernie's failed campaign has to be factored into that . . . brush Jun 2016 #117
I have to laugh at this rant, sorry, But Bernie has overcome great odds since the day the DNC larkrake Jun 2016 #120
You sure like to put words in people mouth's don't you......assume what you want. bkkyosemite Jun 2016 #138
agree with you, I wish we had more choices larkrake Jun 2016 #71
Yep, we are going from not good enough to worse. KPN Jun 2016 #74
I'm with you KPN Carolina Jun 2016 #131
Totally right on. The thing that convinced me ... KPN Jun 2016 #150
And I see here over and over they don't get it. bkkyosemite Jun 2016 #137
The post is addressing PROGRESSIVES dorkzilla Jun 2016 #73
OK. Sensible progressives who don't want Trump appointing the next 3-4 SCOTUS . . . brush Jun 2016 #85
us progressives? dorkzilla Jun 2016 #98
I speak for myself as a sensible progressive who will vote for the Dem nominee brush Jun 2016 #99
Yes and he puts words in people's mouths too. bkkyosemite Jun 2016 #139
A latter day Edgar Bergen then? dorkzilla Jun 2016 #141
What words did I allegedly put in someone's mouth? brush Jun 2016 #146
They are trying to manufacture consent for this. Like they always do. They are usually successful. stillwaiting Jun 2016 #42
If they are, it will only be because of KPN Jun 2016 #49
Not very likely. mrr303am Jun 2016 #81
Bernie is supporting State races, I dont see Hilary supporting anyone larkrake Jun 2016 #113
My reply was in reqards to whether Republicans will turn out in full force. mrr303am Jun 2016 #145
Ok, I agree larkrake Jun 2016 #147
Excellent question. mrr303am Jun 2016 #158
Because that's the "story" of political primaries. Beartracks Jun 2016 #43
no, they wont. even kids know what a scorpion is, progressives doubt Hillary larkrake Jun 2016 #54
Only just now becoming cause for concern? Jester Messiah Jun 2016 #3
as usual, Clinton is the last to get the message. Betty Karlson Jun 2016 #31
So? She wants to win the votes of Democrats and Republicans that have not lost their minds. tonyt53 Jun 2016 #4
There are the young true, but there are CEO's, Managers, Psychiatrists, bkkyosemite Jun 2016 #17
Few CEO's, electricians, or laborers are voting for Bernie. Most well-educated over 45 vote for HRC. tonyt53 Jun 2016 #29
Ah, no, most of the well educated are independents for Bernie as are the majority of Progressives larkrake Jun 2016 #90
Welcome to Memesville. Beartracks Jun 2016 #40
Truth hurt ya, didn't it? What the hell is a progressive anyway? I'm a Democrat. tonyt53 Jun 2016 #56
"Truth hurt ya, didn't it?" Beartracks Jun 2016 #67
I vote. Gore1FL Jun 2016 #36
Lost their minds is subjective. KPN Jun 2016 #53
"He owe's nothing to the democratic party" - Exactly right. Bubzer Jun 2016 #6
SHE owes Plucketeer Jun 2016 #11
Lion logos? Beartracks Jun 2016 #45
I really like the lions and their color unifies all americans, all Partys refugees, revolution larkrake Jun 2016 #61
From here, with permision of course: Bubzer Jun 2016 #159
I love the Berniecrats images john978 Jun 2016 #97
Sanders still may be nominee - shouldn't we be concerned about winning over HRC supporters? blm Jun 2016 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author LiberalArkie Jun 2016 #21
To first order, no... modestybl Jun 2016 #24
Name the purple states Dems win without high turnout of minority voters who chose HRC? blm Jun 2016 #30
Colorado would go for Bernie, but not for Hillary, even if she picks Hick as her VP. He is not well larkrake Jun 2016 #76
Do you box? Ya gotta great reach. blm Jun 2016 #80
Wow! I didn't realize Colorado was that backward. Voting for Trump? Sounds like my backward southern redstateblues Jun 2016 #103
Yes, it is very Republican, perhaps because it is so military. Every election is a teeter-totter, larkrake Jun 2016 #109
To first order, all Dems will back the nominee... modestybl Jun 2016 #84
Supporters of both Hillary and Bernie are gonna need whom ever randr Jun 2016 #58
Again, either gets almost all the Dem vote... modestybl Jun 2016 #87
true larkrake Jun 2016 #96
VERY good point. Betty Karlson Jun 2016 #33
No, he does not have luggage as dark as she, and is palatable to dems larkrake Jun 2016 #48
I think you are ignoring millions of votes of those who enthusiastically voted for HRC. How did you blm Jun 2016 #60
I'm saying Hills folk have proven to accept the lesser of two evils in their eyes larkrake Jun 2016 #105
She "evolved" or whatever, and started saying the same things as Sanders, FoxNewsSucks Jun 2016 #9
I see her as a yapping lap dog, swearing she has evolved, but its not true larkrake Jun 2016 #50
"stomp the crap" Beartracks Jun 2016 #55
Bernie polls better than she does for one reason jmowreader Jun 2016 #91
I am a female boomer. I and my boomer friends are for Bernie, but we are an active lot. larkrake Jun 2016 #106
I have seen the voter breakdowns from the primaries jmowreader Jun 2016 #118
Primaries do not represent the hopeless, disgusted, indys, and almost half supported Bernie larkrake Jun 2016 #130
Bravo, larkrake Carolina Jun 2016 #134
Especially since, if she wins the nomination, she'll immediately drop all her fake-ass "progressive" Gene Debs Jun 2016 #10
That'll be apparent with her appointments. KPN Jun 2016 #79
Kissenger and Sid no doubt will be her advisors larkrake Jun 2016 #107
anyone content to let Trump win is not a progressive. nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #13
and some might say ciaobaby Jun 2016 #14
I have no time for puritanical fools who think John Lewis and Dolores Huerta and Donna Edwards geek tragedy Jun 2016 #15
funny, I didn't mention any of those people - was only referring to Hillary. ciaobaby Jun 2016 #19
those people all support Clinton and have endorsed her in the primary nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #20
I wouldn't characterize any of these people as progressives nyabingi Jun 2016 #52
Progressives are pure Democratic, none will vote Trump larkrake Jun 2016 #111
purity is not something human beings should aspire to. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #112
ethics, yes which is what Democracy is and doesnt apply to Republicans, generalizing larkrake Jun 2016 #125
I'm not content to let tRump win, FoxNewsSucks Jun 2016 #16
that's fair enough, I wasn't a fan of John Kerry in 2004 or Al Gore in 2000 but geek tragedy Jun 2016 #18
Yeah, we sucked it up and look where we are Carolina Jun 2016 #135
Contentment isnt possible in a two party system larkrake Jun 2016 #108
And by "let Trump win" you mean "not vote for 'Hillary'." Gene Debs Jun 2016 #123
people can either be anti-Trump, pro-Trump, or Trump-neutral nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #124
the DNC cheated to get Clinton the nom, ish of the hammer Jun 2016 #22
DNC didn't cheat for Clinton and Sanders even said so. Why further an untruth? Each state set rules blm Jun 2016 #23
I think the claims of cheating are based in.... AlbertCat Jun 2016 #39
That's feeding into perception, but, still not based in reality. blm Jun 2016 #41
politics is perception, who knows what REALLY happened in those smoke filled ish of the hammer Jun 2016 #133
DNC has been discriminating, unfair and crooked,, and some could call that cheating larkrake Jun 2016 #127
I'm Progressive and already support Clinton dbackjon Jun 2016 #25
Same here. As soon it was obvious Bernie lost. I'm with her now. Because we need to win in Nov TeamPooka Jun 2016 #38
she really does think that she can peel off enough anti-Trump Pubs that she doesn't need lefties MisterP Jun 2016 #28
HRCers like to complain about the behavior of Sanders supporters... Beartracks Jun 2016 #34
I see it on both sides. The attacks have been way overthtop in their viciousness, imo. blm Jun 2016 #37
Agree completely with this. As nominee, Hillary would need to earn LibDemAlways Jun 2016 #35
You think progressives would rather have Trump? lark Jun 2016 #46
I fear your expectations may not be met. [n/t] Maedhros Jun 2016 #142
I fear a Trump presidency if that's the case. lark Jun 2016 #152
That's what can happen when the Democrats nominate someone with such low favorables Maedhros Jun 2016 #153
Trump's favorables are quite a bit worse. lark Jun 2016 #154
Not voting for HRC is not voting for HRC. Maedhros Jun 2016 #155
Sorry, that's how Trump will come to power. lark Jun 2016 #156
That I will have created? Maedhros Jun 2016 #157
There is no way she can win over the nutjobs - ever. The progressives really like her. MariaThinks Jun 2016 #57
The Progressives dislike her, the old school trusts her, the corps/wall st like her larkrake Jun 2016 #63
the progressives i know love her and appreciate all she has done - starting with her fight in 1994 MariaThinks Jun 2016 #68
If universal healthcare is what you want, you are backing the wrong candidate LiberalLovinLug Jun 2016 #119
ah, now she says "it will not pass." I cannot think of one thing Hillary has done for America larkrake Jun 2016 #148
Nutjobs? Really? Do you have to stoop that low? KPN Jun 2016 #72
how about not stating that ALL progressives don't support her. Tone deaf. Do you even MariaThinks Jun 2016 #104
Why? That would be overlooking the obvious. KPN Jun 2016 #116
I'm sure some do support her even some Indys larkrake Jun 2016 #149
This race doesn't compare to 2008. KPN Jun 2016 #62
I am optimisist that most will support the Dem. Party nominee. riversedge Jun 2016 #69
Had you said "there's no way Clinton can win over libertarians... HillareeeHillaraah Jun 2016 #70
Sure RandySF Jun 2016 #77
The polls say you are wrong. RAFisher Jun 2016 #83
The polls have not been all that great this season. jwirr Jun 2016 #95
Except she's already in the lead shenmue Jun 2016 #89
another profoundly intellectual response nt dorkzilla Jun 2016 #101
Get it out of your system Berners MFM008 Jun 2016 #100
If they would do ANYTHING that helps FrankenTrump, they are NOT "progressive." RBInMaine Jun 2016 #121
And with her record Carolina Jun 2016 #126
Wanna bet? Zambero Jun 2016 #129
The Democratic Party Establishment has transitioned Maedhros Jun 2016 #143
This is going to be like the Walker-Barrett recall election of 2012 RufusTFirefly Jun 2016 #151
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