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malthaussen

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19. I'd point out that "909" was written in '62 or '63...
Sat Oct 28, 2017, 10:39 AM
Oct 2017

... it was part of the Beatles repertoire for years. They just didn't record it until '69.

If the point of the "Get Back" sessions was to get back to their roots, then it must follow that they themselves thought they had strayed from them. Or some of them, anyway -- the whole point of the breakup was that the group had different ideas on how to shape their music.

Saying that the Beatles broke rock and roll, though, may give them more agency than they deserve. It seems that the branching of pop music into rock and rock 'n roll camps proceeded concurrently with their development, but correlation is not causality. The fact that the Beatles had so much success moving into harder rock from the "Please Please Me" sort of tune may have (probably did have) a big impact on imitators who came later, though.

It's interesting to me that so many who claim to be Beatle fans almost always claim to prefer "late Beatles" to early Beatles, as if the original Rock and Roll material that the group wrote and performed were some kind of embarrassment. Given that they earned their early success based on the merit of those early embarrassments, it seems a bit disingenuous, to me. Without "She Loves You," we're never going to get to "I am the Walrus."

I think the social conditions of the '60s had a lot more to do with the segregation of pop into "black" and "white" genres than the appearance of the Beatles on the scene. And anyway, R&B also become harder and lest "dancy" in the latter part of the decade than it was when Chuck Berry was cranking out the same tune every six months.

I think if you look at music history from the beginning of recorded music until many decades later (classical music excepted), you can see a cycle of dance tunes giving way to more "serious" musician's music as a new generation begins to take itself more seriously than an earlier. Swing gives way to bop, rock and roll gives way to harder rock and then swings back to Disco, which while not rock, is definitely dance-oriented, rather than oriented towards virtuosity. The Beatles were able to straddle both trends, and so were a few other acts (hell, the Bee Gees were balladeers before they started doing dance music).

-- Mal

Nuts! DonaldsRump Oct 2017 #1
'Beatles, Stones, Dylan, Who, none of us could do as good as 'Whole Lotta Shakin Goin On' so we MiltonBrown Oct 2017 #2
Except that many, many white artists continued to make dance music unblock Oct 2017 #4
True but disco is not rock-n-roll either. MiltonBrown Oct 2017 #5
I wasn't talking about disco, I consider that a brief blip, but then again unblock Oct 2017 #10
There was a pretty long break between Joey Dee and acts like KC and the Sunshine Band or disco era MiltonBrown Oct 2017 #16
My point is that the Beatles were EVERYTHING.... DonaldsRump Oct 2017 #6
They were rock-n-rollers from the start, even sporting leather jackets and pomps! MiltonBrown Oct 2017 #8
Maybe for those who emulated the Beatles, they were limited to just rock DonaldsRump Oct 2017 #11
Let it Be is a pretty good album but I can't dance to it like I can the 50s and early 60s stuff. MiltonBrown Oct 2017 #17
I'd point out that "909" was written in '62 or '63... malthaussen Oct 2017 #19
You make some great points malthaussen. MiltonBrown Oct 2017 #23
I expect anyone who chooses "Milton Brown" as a handle... malthaussen Oct 2017 #24
Yes I dig the swing music! Had an epiphany many years ago and have been exploring and enjoying MiltonBrown Oct 2017 #38
Music, like everything else, LWolf Oct 2017 #33
I don't see how he can blame that segregation on the beatles unblock Oct 2017 #3
The early Beatles songs were often covers of American rock-n-roll or at least in the same style. MiltonBrown Oct 2017 #7
Black folks were listening to Atlantic, Motown, Stax and other R&B labels before the Beatles... brush Oct 2017 #9
One of the Coasters (not sure which one) said that 'We play rhythm and blues music but if it's a hit MiltonBrown Oct 2017 #13
Blacks left rock and roll before the sixties Cartoonist Oct 2017 #12
The Bobbys were an aBOBanation! MiltonBrown Oct 2017 #14
Atlantic, Motown and other R&B labels... brush Oct 2017 #15
Not sure the Beatles or any one person/group "saved" rock n' roll whathehell Oct 2017 #29
No flames from me. nt Still Blue in PDX Oct 2017 #34
I grew up in the 50's and 60's. I agree with what you posted but it wasn't like forced segregation wasupaloopa Oct 2017 #18
That's one of my favorite movies of course! MiltonBrown Oct 2017 #21
They can't win caraher Oct 2017 #20
The book is 17 chapters and only chapter 17 is actually about the Beatles. It starts out with early MiltonBrown Oct 2017 #22
It really is an unfortunate book title... malthaussen Oct 2017 #25
I blame Obama and Hillary for destroying Rock! Chasstev365 Oct 2017 #26
Before the Beatles, surf music started this trend DBoon Oct 2017 #27
But the Beatles impacted everything in their wake whereas surf rock (Ventures, Chantays not BBs) had MiltonBrown Oct 2017 #39
Read the book and enjoyed it. The title is just a hook. rzemanfl Oct 2017 #28
Sounds like a big pile of BS to me. Zen Democrat Oct 2017 #30
If you're gonna blame the Beatles, you've gotta blame The Crickets sofa king Oct 2017 #31
Knowing the direction Buddy Holly was heading there is no doubt that he would've made rock MiltonBrown Oct 2017 #41
The author... Mike Nelson Oct 2017 #32
I danced my ass off at the last Who Hits 50 concert maxrandb Oct 2017 #35
What bunkum! No, I haven't and shan't. Does the author claim that a band that covered "Twist and WinkyDink Oct 2017 #36
The author would argue that the band that recorded 'Twist and Shout' changed radically by the time MiltonBrown Oct 2017 #40
To argue that the Beatles' music changed is not the same as arguing that said change ended Rock and WinkyDink Oct 2017 #42
The Beatles SAVED Rock and Roll Wolf Frankula Oct 2017 #37
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