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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #13)

Fri Oct 31, 2014, 12:14 PM

14. Many teenagers do understand their sexuality, and often better than many adults.

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If she wore a shirt that said, 'I got laid for the first time last night', would that be OK as a political statement?

If that's the statement that she wants to make, why not? I somehow doubt that would happen--most teenagers aren't that comfortable or open about their sexuality, but if they are, why not? Minors in most states (I believe, correct me if I'm wrong) can have sex legally with other minors of a minimum age or near-minors. It can be very beneficial to make those kind of statements about yourself. If she's comfortable with it and wants to share that, should she be prevented from doing so? Would you ban teenagers from talking about it? Or is saying it publicly what you're objecting to? If it's because you just don't want to see it in public, then deal with it. It's not your shirt. If it's because you think a girl or a boy that age shouldn't be sexually active, then you can take your "morals" and stuff them, because again, it's not up to you to determine whether it's "age-appropriate" for someone. That is entirely up to the individual in question. I would leave it up to the school to decide when and if a shirt crosses a line into vulgarity instead of a statement piece, though of course that comes with its own set of thorny issues.

Teenagers now have far more sexual stimuli than when I was one, but they seem to have less adult leadership in working out the confusion at that age.

I would disagree with this. I think that there are far more adult leaders and resources than there used to be, particularly for the LGBT community. Human sexuality is a topic discussed in most health classrooms, and the practice of abstinence-only education is--thankfully--slowly disappearing (with of course the usual nut-jobs on the right screaming their heads off about it).

At 15, she may or may not have discovered she is a lesbian, and she may change her mind a few times before she's 30. But, I question whether advertising her sexuality of the day is a good thing at that age. Adults question it themselves when there are far more consequences. Maybe there shouldn't be consequences for one's sexuality but when there are it's reasonable to be aware of them.

I have yet to meet someone who has "changed their mind" about being LGBT. I sincerely doubt that almost anyone changes their mind "a few times" before they're 30. People may go through experimental phases (and perfectly healthy ones), but who you are doesn't just change. That's a right-wing talking point if there ever was one. It's not a willy-nilly choice that some stupid teenager just randomly decides one day--these decisions and self-reflections can be every bit as consequential as adult decisions. I'm glad I didn't have you to talk to when I was figuring out my bisexuality. It wasn't some choice I just up and decided to make one day, it was a fuller realization of who I was. That can happen just as easily at 5 as it can at 55, and both are equally valid. I find it very offensive that you dismiss the self-understanding that teenagers across the world come to every day with respect to their sexuality as simply a dumb teenage decision. I think more teenagers are aware of the consequences of these decisions than you appear to be.

Maybe she's wearing it in solidarity for some friends or relatives, or political movement. That's easier to deal with, but, again, would an advertisement for a group sex club or prostitution be OK?

How on earth do you conflate advertising for prostitution to be the same thing as standing in solidarity with other LGBT persons?

The question is whether the message is age-appropriate, not whether you or I agree with it.

But that's exactly what you're saying. If you don't think it's age-appropriate, than it shouldn't be allowed. Again, it's not your decision to make. It's up to the individual to decide what is age-appropriate for them at what time. I have known men and women that were comfortable and having healthy sexual relationships at 15. I've also known people that still aren't comfortable in their sexuality in their twenties (and I'm sure even later in life--I just don't discuss sexuality with many people older than that). Point is, age-appropriateness when it comes to sexuality is simply a tool you are using to force others into the box you want them in.

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